mike777 Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 I found this hand interesting for us players coming back to bridge, I hope you do also. IMPS VUL P=1H=P=1SP=2H=P=3HP=? K7=K97642=AKJ=86 What is your thought process and bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 I found this hand interesting for us players coming back to bridge, I hope you do also. IMPS VUL P=1H=P=1SP=2H=P=3HP=? K7=K97642=AKJ=86 What is your thought process and bid? I would have rebid 1NT insstead of 2H, because the modest quality of the K97xxx suit makes me treat this hand like a 5332 rather than 6322. It's imps, so we want to bid game, the question is 4H or 3NT ? The problem is the unstopped club suit.If pard has clubs decently stoppped, chances are that 3NT is easier than 4H, if not, instead, then 4H should be a better bet... I willbid 4H, after all , because I might have better chances to discard a club loser on spades if pard turns out with AQ of spades, but I still wish I had rebid 1NT. A case might be done also for opening directly 1NT with 6322 major (considering the 6322 14 hcp like a 15 count 5332) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 on the bidding (and my hand), partner has nothing in diamonds and very little in hearts, so anything he has that's good enough to invite is in spades and clubs.. i think i'll bid 3nt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 3NT, partner can still correct to 4♥ if he wants to... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 on the bidding (and my hand), partner has nothing in diamonds and very little in hearts, so anything he has that's good enough to invite is in spades and clubs.. i think i'll bid 3nt The case not unlikely is that pard has AQ of spades + another ace, and little else. If that is the case, regardless of which suit is the second ace, a club lead spells trouble on 3NT, since the stopper(s) will be led through. More generally, IMO the likelihood of 3NT being a good contract will depend on the clubs intermediate (JT98 etc) held by dummy, which we cannot know given this bidding... :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMetsch Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Hard to tell what the right game is. I bid 3♠ and hope partner will understand that I have bad hearts and some support for spades. Partner may have only a doubleton heart and 5 good spades in wich case 4♠ may be a better contract than 4♥. Without good spades and good hearts, partner should bid 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Hard to tell what the right game is. I bid 3♠ and hope partner will understand that I have bad hearts and some support for spades. Partner may have only a doubleton heart and 5 good spades in wich case 4♠ may be a better contract than 4♥. Without good spades and good hearts, partner should bid 3NT. I like this: if anything, if 3NT is going to be the contract, it will be played from the right side. Possible risks: 1. pard will assume we have 6 hearts and 3 spades and might correct to 4 spades for a 5-2 fit, when it's too late for us to correct to the heart 6-2 fit... 2. even if 3NT is right, pard has probably nothing in diamonds and might avoid 3NT for fear of diamonds unstopped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMetsch Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 1. pard will assume we have 6 hearts and 3 spades and might correct to 4 spades for a 5-2 fit, when it's too late for us to correct to the heart 6-2 fit... I didn't raise spades earlier but rebid a bad 6card, so I won't have 3good spades (maybe 3 small). He should bid 4spades with 5good ones and then you might make 5spades, 1 heart, 2 diamonds, 1 club and 1 club ruff or someting like that. 2. even if 3NT is right, pard has probably nothing in diamonds and might avoid 3NT for fear of diamonds unstopped Maybe partner has the diamonds stopped but not the clubs and bids 3NT :lol: It is similar to the following situation:1♥ - 1NT;3♦ - 3♥;3♠ What does it mean? I think it shows doubt about the final contract (5 not so good ♥, ♣ or ♠ unstopped) and is unrelated to ♠. It is a sort of last train, partner should bid 3NT with 2 small ♥s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 on the bidding (and my hand), partner has nothing in diamonds and very little in hearts, so anything he has that's good enough to invite is in spades and clubs.. i think i'll bid 3nt The case not unlikely is that pard has AQ of spades + another ace, and little else. If that is the case, regardless of which suit is the second ace, a club lead spells trouble on 3NT, since the stopper(s) will be led through. More generally, IMO the likelihood of 3NT being a good contract will depend on the clubs intermediate (JT98 etc) held by dummy, which we cannot know given this bidding... :lol: true, but as fredrick said he knows we have 6 hearts and can correct... he might not tho :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted August 14, 2005 Report Share Posted August 14, 2005 I'm biding a prosaic 4♥. If I thought that my suit would run opposite Ax from partner I'd consider 3N. It won't, and there is no guaruntee that partner's trump support is this good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 14, 2005 Report Share Posted August 14, 2005 4H. Obvious. 3NT is masterminding, and 3S should suggest 3 card support with 6H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted August 14, 2005 Report Share Posted August 14, 2005 when is a bid masterminding and when is it a choice of games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 14, 2005 Report Share Posted August 14, 2005 He He, good question Jimmy. 3NT will most likely end the auction, despite what some other posters have said. This is taking a huge view in C; I don't mind so much wrong sideing the contract, but gamblng that partner has a decent C stopper - probably 2 - is too much. I don't need to post sample hands, you can work out possible holdings for partner yourself. Suffice to say I agree with R in that the H are not good enough to consider 3N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted August 14, 2005 Report Share Posted August 14, 2005 4H. I have extra values and we have a heart fit. It is possible (but not very likely I think) that 3NT is better, but I can't find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheoKole Posted August 14, 2005 Report Share Posted August 14, 2005 I would bid 4 diamonds to describe strength there, and direct partner towards his card holding, I like my hand, especially the fitting K ♠ honor. If partner signs off in 4 hearts, I'll respect his decision, but if he can stop clubs and has a strong hand he will either cue-bid or ask aces, it is possible that he has a doubleton K ♣ and any slam probably 6NT if not 6 ♥ must be played from his side. For this reason, I don't want to ask Aces at once, if 6 NT, is the contract, then I want partner to play it with my club holding. Theo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted August 14, 2005 Report Share Posted August 14, 2005 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted August 14, 2005 Report Share Posted August 14, 2005 I don't mind so much wrong sideing the contract, but gamblng that partner has a decent C stopper - probably 2 - is too much. ok, that makes sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 4H for me. Have a very good min and a great card, the spade king. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 Pard never directly raised hearts, so he felt he had to introduce his Spades, then he has shown heart support, not raised to game, which I would have thought was easy to bid as you are vuln, I cant see what purpose there is to bid 3NT here without a club control of your own. as if he was interested in NT he could show clubs or lack of diamond control somehow. I think showing another major then supporting hearts is not the way to NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 4H. Do I have maximum for my advised minimum opener? YesDo I have a 9 card fit in a mayor? Yes WTP? With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 I have five and a half LTC, this is a maximum. 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 Pard never directly raised hearts, so he felt he had to introduce his Spades, then he has shown heart support, not raised to game, which I would have thought was easy to bid as you are vuln, I cant see what purpose there is to bid 3NT here without a club control of your own. as if he was interested in NT he could show clubs or lack of diamond control somehow. I think showing another major then supporting hearts is not the way to NT Hi, partner was looking for a 4-4 fit in spades.A 4-4 will most of the time play better than a 5-3 fit, that's all. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 Hard to tell what the right game is. I bid 3♠ and hope partner will understand that I have bad hearts and some support for spades. Partner may have only a doubleton heart and 5 good spades in wich case 4♠ may be a better contract than 4♥. Without good spades and good hearts, partner should bid 3NT. Do I miscount? The heart suit is nothing to be proud off, but it is a 6 card suit, I probably showed that already, but ... If we really wanna make 3NT, we will need the heart suit, partner has 3 cards, most likely with one or two of themissing honours. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 4♥ quite automatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 Assuming responder hasn't responded 1 spade with something like AJxx, Jxx, xxx, Qxx (responder should simply raise hearts IMO), I suspect that responder has a 10-11 pts hand with dbltn H-x in hearts, maybe xxx. With xx in hearts and scattered values 2NT might be an alternative rebid, taking preference to 3H should opener bid something like 3 diamonds. With the Hx in hearts and 10-11, i think 4H is a reasonable shot. Not so comfortable in 4H if responder has xx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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