plaur Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 [hv=d=n&v=b&s=sak8ha9dq1075ca1074]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] MP's, strict SAYC, Partner opens 1♦ I want to play slam or 3NT. In SAYC I have the choice between 3NT showing 16-17 HCP or 2♣. Is this the kind of hand to 3NT in SAYC with ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 <!-- ONEHAND begin --><table border='1'> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td> Dealer: </td> <td> North </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Vul: </td> <td> Both </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Scoring: </td> <td> MP </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table> <tr> <th> <span class='spades'> ♠ </span> </th> <td> AK8 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='hearts'> ♥ </span> </th> <td> A9 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='diamonds'> ♦ </span> </th> <td> Q1075 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='clubs'> ♣ </span> </th> <td> A1074 </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table><!-- ONEHAND end --> MP's, strict SAYC, Partner opens 1♦ I want to play slam or 3NT. In SAYC I have the choice between 3NT showing 16-17 HCP or 2♣. Is this the kind of hand to 3NT in SAYC with ? 2C. Not 3nt. Do I not have a minor game force raise in strict sayc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaur Posted August 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 No, no forcing minor raise. Blame the system but im trying to learn it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 I indeed blame the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 You can bid 2♣ and hopefully get the chance to support clubs later on. Hopefully 1♦-2♣-2NT-3♦ is forcing but even if it is I'm not sure partner will know. Well, 1♦-2♣-(whatever)-4♦ then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Helene, the problem with that last auction is that you bypass 3NT. I would not risk 1D-2C-X-3D with anybody who doesn't play inverted minors, although I do think that it should be forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 If you play SAYC, bid 3NT with this hand. Not 2♣'s. Lesson, don't might be not to play SAYC, but hey, it is matchpoints, so bidding 3NT is not so bad., Where do you want to play? 3NT. If parnter is unbalanced enough for 6D (or 7D) to have a shot, he will bid again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpenz Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 theres always a flaw in any system, and minor suit bidding is almost a lost art. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Just the balanced 17 hcp is enough to want me to bid anything to play in either 3NT or 6D. If pard has a balanced hand (14 hcp max) then 3NT making 4 or 5 is about right. Finding out if pard is balanced is the key. 2C solves this problem and depending on his rebid and continuations (if any) you will get to the right spot. SAYC was invented for use by patient (not inmates) people. Most get frustrated with it and just blast into where they are going for fear of getting dropped in a forcing auction when pard thinks that it was just invitational etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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