help wanted

[sceptic]

what does the following mean

 

160 hands played 72.11 imps ave 0.45

 

8 hands played 47.92 MPS

 

I have no idea what good bad or average is

 

what should you be aiming to get over a period of time?

 

should you be happy with a + score in both

 

0+ at imps and 50% + at MPs

[inquiry]

160 hands played 72.11 imps ave 0.45

 

8 hands played 47.92 MPS

 

I have no idea what good bad or average is

 

what should you be aiming to get over a period of time?

 

should you be happy with a + score in both

 

0+ at imps and 50% + at MPs

+0.45 imps is good, especially if you play against quality opponents.

 

8 hands and 47.92% matchpoints is nothing to worry about. The sample size is too small. Really good players will average (with a lot more hands) around 0.6 to 0.8 imps if they play with a lot of partners. If two really good players play together all the time, they will average higher, say 1.0 to 1.4 imps. If two really good players play in a weak field, they might do better, but odds are against it.

 

Really good players who play only against other really good players in team games will average much lower of course, closer to 0 imps.

 

An average in the high 50's at matchpoints would be very good performance, but don't look for averages there until you have played 75 or 100 plus hands. Expert players with expert partners might average in the low 60's.

[badderzboy]

To be Mr Average,

 

After an infinite number of hands your MP score will be 50% and your IMPs score = 0 playing against opps of random ability.

 

Your score is net against the level of people you are playing (imagine a 100 boards against Fred (I'd be amazed to be better than -500 Imps lol) or against 2 novices as a comparison) so you are playing as a pair better than your opps and over 160 Boards I think +0.5 IMPs per board is pretty good form against opps who u believe are of a similar level.

 

Your score over 8 boards is no guide - too much potential variation!

Even 24 can be no guide - I've seen the weakest pair come top in a pairs event more than once!

 

 

In a club duplicate, my partner & I averaged 58% last year over 20+ sessions so were in the top 3 / 4 who play regularly that night (circa 14 tables) which I was pretty pleased with :P .

 

I would guess maintaing an average of 60%+ means you are a very strong pair?

 

Now I could be playing at a club with weak players so no guide against stronger clubs / pairs :) ;)

 

I am also intrigued to know the experts view as to what % points mark what ability compared to the field you're playing in.

 

Steve

[inquiry]

When Ekeblad played Jacobs, Ekablad won over 64 boards by 5 imps. That is an incredibly low +0.08 imps per board.

 

When Ekeblad played Carmichael in the final, they won by 61 over the same number of boards, so call that 1 imp per board (it wasn't). So they averaged +0.5 imps per board in the semi-finals and finals. That was very good. Against that level competition, I think less than 0.5 pt per board is far more normal.

[coyot]

what does the following mean

 

160 hands played 72.11 imps ave 0.45

 

8 hands played 47.92 MPS

 

I have no idea what good bad or average is

 

what should you be aiming to get over a period of time?

 

should you be happy with a + score in both

 

0+ at imps and 50% + at MPs

Let's see. 3IMP per board is, IIRC, the standard contumation rate or standard penalization for missed boards etc. In the long run, it would mean an overtrick on every other board (pretty good).

 

If you look at Butler charts for major events, you'll find that the top pairs usually score between +1 and +2 IMPs per board - and scoring 1/2IMP per board would place you roughly somewhere between a third and a fourth of the starting field (as Ben said, that's pretty good).

 

Of course, these numbers are for a playing field of regular partners. If you're playing in MBC with a pickup, chances are that a lot of the pairs you compare against are pickups, too, so the numbers should remain similar. If you're playing with a stable partner against a MBC field, your results could/should be slightly downgraded - the biggest effect, of course, being whether your opponents were a stable pair or not, but even the rest of playing field matters.

 

(In other words, if I happen to score over 0.5 per board in MBC, that's nothing to be really proud of, but if that becomes my average in (preferrably paid or established) tournaments, now that shows something.)