inquiry Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 The bots play very quickly with only one card in a suit. Here is a hand where that info was vital. [hv=d=s&v=e&n=s83hq32daj9863cq9&w=sk9542ht754dqt7c5&e=sj76hk6d5cjt87632&s=saqthaj98dk42cak4]399|300|Scoring: IMPWest North East South - - - 2NT Pass 6♦ Pass 7NT Pass Pass Pass [/hv] I have been experimenting playing with the robots a bit. Here is a problem for them. Ok, my 7NT was pushy but I had no idea what the bot bids 6D on. Here I won club lead, cashed diamond king and lead a low diamond. The gib on my left tanked. They play singletons quickly so I found the diamond Queen. AFTER gib on right had 7 clubs, probably find it anyway. C5 CQ CT C4C9 C2 CA S2 DK D7 D3 D5 D2 DT DJ C3 <-- Gib on left tankedHQ HK HA H5 <-- still need luckHJ H4 H2 H6 <-- set up possible vienna coupCK S5 S3 CJ <-- continue planD4 DQ DA S6 D9 C7 ST S9 D8 C8 H8 H7 D6 C6 H9 S4 S8 S7 SA SK <-- see odds, hook versus dropSQ HT H3 SJ When i lead the spade at trick 12, i knew West had been 5-4-3-1 or an odd 6-3-3-1. If he was 6-3-3-1, then I was going down, as EAST last card must be the heart TEN. So, West was down to 1H and 1S. I can always make if i guess who has the spade king. If East has it, I play the queen. If West has it, I play the ace. Since West had 5S to East's three, I went with the odds and played the ACE... But without the "tell-tale" bot glitch in diamonds, surely i would be down. The vienna coup was just icing taking advantage of the opportunity. Thus, i think we need to program small delay in playing with stiffs since they will delay when not having a stiff. This picked up 13.8 imps for me (ok, ok, after finding EAST with 7 clubs, i was going to hook diamond anyway, but the hesitation made the play 100%, so you get the idea). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 Where have I seen that diamond combination before? Are you sure your GIB partner didn't peek and sent smoke signals through the room? Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandal Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 Where have I seen that diamond combination before? Are you sure your GIB partner didn't peek and sent smoke signals through the room? Roland I noticed playing with 2 GIB's as opps,the one to myleft alerted his pass when I alerted my bid,happenedevery time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_vlado Posted July 30, 2005 Report Share Posted July 30, 2005 Hi,I guess, a deluge of questions will pore over Fred after GIBs enter the play. Fred can't say much about the bridge behavior of the bots and can hardly do anything. The author is Matt Ginsberg, and he's not active (on GIB). Arguably, _all_ possible questions have already been discussed in the GIB forum at http://lists.gibware.com/pipermail/discuss/Try to search your question there. For example, the fast play of singletons was discussed for more than 1/2 year, various tricks were tested in 3-4 GIB versions, and no feasible solution was found... A few GIB features that will raise not one brow and were not solved during GIB's active development:- discarding of high spots;- nebulous signalling;- jumping to slams without control asking;- long thinking on apparent non-issues;- generally slow bidding and play (if you want it to play better). Much of the above is rooted in the approach of Matt who put the emphasis on _simulations_ both in card play and bidding as opposed to _external_ bridge wisdom, i.e. expert bridge experience programmed as rules. That being said, I believe GIB will make a formidable adversary for the _advanced_ player and less at BBO. If Fred adjusts the interface to show meanings of the human partner bids before they are made, GIB will be also a strong partner. Mind that GIB is launched and plays on _your_ PC, not on the server. Thus its play level depends on your local power. Try to give GIB as much time as you can bear :lol:. Vlado Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limey_p Posted July 31, 2005 Report Share Posted July 31, 2005 Responding to Vlado's post ... when GIB runs locally, does than mean I can cripple him by making my machine run slow? Next question: if more than one GIB at a table, do they both run on same client's machine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_vlado Posted July 31, 2005 Report Share Posted July 31, 2005 Hi Limey,All GIBs run on the machine of the table host. The host may change thinking time and thus cripple the bots.By the way, that might make using bots in a tournament impossible or inappropriate.Vlado Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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