plaur Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 Live MP's I hold as East:[hv=d=w&v=n&s=sk10872h54d4ckj765]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] West North East South1♣ pass 1♠ pass1NT pass 2♣ 2♦3♣ 3♦ 3♠ all pass Partner opens 1♣ which promises 4+clubs and rebids 1NT which is 12-14 HCP. We are *not* playing any conventions over 1x-1y-1NT. When she bid 3 club i was thinking: OK she has a good reason to compete, or else she would leave it to me to compete to 3 clubs, since I would rarely let them play 2 diamonds in MP when we have an eight card fit in clubs. So she has 5 clubs or maybe she could have 4 clubs and two small diamonds? Bidding 3 spades i was thinking: We have a 10 card fit in clubs. I want to compete to 4 clubs, but maybe we have an eight card fit in spades, so I can just as well show my 5 spades. (If i had 6 spades i wouldnt have bid 2 club in the first place) What do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 All analysises are good, but pd may not think the same thing. I would just bid 4C. Even if pd has 3 spades, 4C should play as good as 3S. Pd didnot bid 2S after 2D. This indicates very strongly that he has at most doubleton spades. Bridge would be much easier if we dont test pd with questions we could solve by ourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 Hum.. to me is obvious that a hand that jump bids 3S after having signed off in 2C should have some decent club suit to back up his jump. But yes, unless pard is the sort of person who could reason along these lines, some nr. of clubs is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaur Posted July 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 Hum.. to me is obvious that a hand that jump bids 3S after having signed off in 2C should have some decent club suit to back up his jump.Oops sorry no jump bid, opps competed in 3♦. I edited the original post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 I like your reasoning and 3♠ at matchpoints. To whereagles: 3♠ is not a jump bid. 2♦ is obviously a typo. Should have been 3♦. A couple of you may have forgotten that this is pairs, and I agree with plaur that it's worth trying 3♠ for three reasons. 1. It scores better if we have a 5-3 fit.2. Responder doesn't have 6 spades. 2♣ denied that.3. If we don't have a fit, opener can still correct to 4♣. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaur Posted July 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 What kind of hands should opener bid 3 clubs over 2 diamonds with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 Ah.. yes.. anyway, I think what I said still applies. A player who didn't bid 1C 1S1N 2S cannot logically bid 3S now unless he has a club suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 I like your reasoning and 3♠ at matchpoints. To whereagles: 3♠ is not a jump bid. 2♦ is obviously a typo. Should have been 3♦. A couple of you may have forgotten that this is pairs, and I agree with plaur that it's worth trying 3♠ for three reasons. 1. It scores better if we have a 5-3 fit.2. Responder doesn't have 6 spades. 2♣ denied that.3. If we don't have a fit, opener can still correct to 4♣. Roland Can we have a 5-3 fit?Would P have not bid 2S/2D instead of 3C with 3-card spade support? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 Can we have a 5-3 fit?Would P have not bid 2S/2D instead of 3C with 3-card spade support? Good point, but I am sure that beginners/intermediates are reluctant to support unless they are certain of an 8-card fit. It takes years to understand the benefits of supporting with only 3, and as you may know, it is considered a major crime to do just that in some parts of the world. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 I don't think we have an 8 card spade fit, pd would have bid 2♠ with 3 spades instead of 3♣. The 3♣ bid should be showing 5 good clubs and a strong doubleton is spades like Ax or AQ. That's what I think. Luis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 Indeed. If you are reluctant to bid 2S here for ambiguity about the implied Club length you should be doubling 2D for takeout. Leastwise that's just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 i like the 3♠ bid at pairs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 i like the 3♠ bid at pairs... 3S may very well be the winning MP bid but it seems very advanced to me, in fact an expert bid. Put me down for 4C, hoping P can scrape up a 4s or 5 club bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 Can we have a 5-3 fit?Would P have not bid 2S/2D instead of 3C with 3-card spade support? Good point, but I am sure that beginners/intermediates are reluctant to support unless they are certain of an 8-card fit. It takes years to understand the benefits of supporting with only 3, and as you may know, it is considered a major crime to do just that in some parts of the world. Roland I am sorry I mentioned it. I don't wish to be accused of having influenced or encouraged anyone to engage in any criminal behavior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted July 28, 2005 Report Share Posted July 28, 2005 This is MP!, just bid 2♠ after 1NT, and see if they have what it takes to bid 3♦ :) (but if they do you are badly placed hehe). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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