scoob Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 this is awesome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DenisO Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 Even if GIB is the only robot we offer, I think our members will be well-served. There is only one other computer bridge program that comes close to GIB in terms of its quality of play (a Dutch program named Jack). Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com I think you are being a fit unfair to Jack here. GIB is still a great program but it's been two years since any real development was done. In that time Jack has been continuously improved and most people who have both programs, including long-time GIB fans from the GIB discuss group, now consider Jack to be the better program; and it has been World Computer champion for 5 years in a row, which includes a period when GIB was active. It would be marvellous if this initiative from BBO can generate sufficient interest/revenue to persuade Matt to start work again on GIB. GIB seems to be the only program with the potential to knock Jack off the No.1 spot. Denis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DenisO Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 During today's vugraph Walddk would occasionally ask GIB what it would have bid or played. I personally found this to be interesting. He was careful to emphasize the difference between GIB's analysis (which is single dummy) and Deep Finesse's analysis (which is double dummy). Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.comI like this feature but it only seems to work during live vugraph. When I open an existing lin file on my PC there is no GIB button even though I have GIB installed. In contrast the DF button will work - I have DF installed as well but I'm not sure if that's why it works. Denis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 1) Agree with Denis0. Jack is really the strongest program around nowadays, I think few people doubt that. 2) I really really like the new GIB feature I must say! Totally wicked :angry: I think it is the right way that GIB uses the user's computer to calculate his move, this will be much faster than have some central computer deal with requests. Running some server based GIBs is possible of course, for some special situations, but running several will be detrimental for the playing strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pooh Posted July 25, 2005 Report Share Posted July 25, 2005 GIB SYSTEM DETAILS Is there a Schedule of the System which GIB uses in BBO Robot Mode? I discovered the other day that we were playing against Inverted Minors :) It seems to be some form of SAYC ... but "tweaked". Thanks Pooh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uday Posted July 25, 2005 Report Share Posted July 25, 2005 When FG returns (he is at a tourney) he will address the gib cc issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandal Posted July 28, 2005 Report Share Posted July 28, 2005 When FG returns (he is at a tourney) he will address the gib cc issue. Maybe I should meantion this here too: I played in main with a human partner andopps were two very fine GIB's. I alerted my artificial bids and explained,myLHO GIB alerted his Pass,happened every time. They explained in full if I clicked on their bids,all sorts of possible explanations :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothy Posted July 31, 2005 Report Share Posted July 31, 2005 I was so taken by the bridge skills of GIB E - GIB W is arrogant! - that i am seriously considering asking her on a virtual date.... ....i got her on web-cam and her mother-board is awesome!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayos Posted July 31, 2005 Report Share Posted July 31, 2005 Resistance is futile All your base belong to us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EarlPurple Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 When will I be allowed to partner GIB in a tourney? When can we have an "indy" tourney where every pair contains a human and a GIB (except maybe one pair of 2 GIBs) How about a regular indy where GIB enters, so we see how well he does? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limey_p Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 I smell a "Turing test" coming up. If chat is disabled, can we detect a GIB as pard or op? *This* may be worth a trial from an ambitious tourney operator! AP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanrover Posted August 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 Gib would fail the Turing Test due to her bizarre bids. Jack passes it as it plays sayc/2o1 type bidding systems tonnes better than Gib Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 Even Jack fails the Turing test, IMHO. The kind of mistakes he makes are characteristic: never micounts, but is easily trapped by psyches, even by elementary falsearding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asdfg2k Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 Has anybody a list of the system/conventions that GIB plays? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 Even Jack fails the Turing test, IMHO. The kind of mistakes he makes are characteristic: never micounts, but is easily trapped by psyches, even by elementary falsearding. So are some club players. If you find examples of this, perhaps report these to the Jack team so they can work on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 Even Jack fails the Turing test, IMHO. The kind of mistakes he makes are characteristic: never micounts, but is easily trapped by psyches, even by elementary falsearding. So are some club players. If you find examples of this, perhaps report these to the Jack team so they can work on it. Of course they are. If people weren't fooled by psyches and false-cards, they wouldn't be used in the first place. The Turing test doesn't require the computer to emulate a smart human, just an ordinary one. In fact, it would still be a major achievement just to get a computer to fool you into thinking it's a 10-year-old kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DenisO Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 Even Jack fails the Turing test, IMHO. The kind of mistakes he makes are characteristic: never micounts, but is easily trapped by psyches, even by elementary falsearding.We shall see :) Over the next few months we can follow the reports of JacK against International or near International class Dutch players: Follow the action at :http://www.jackbridge.com/eindex.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EarlPurple Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 If I partner myself against Jack it's easy to psych him out. Just bid his suit then run to my own suit. A pair playing against 2 GIBS could play HUMs and that would probably psych them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 If I partner myself against Jack it's easy to psych him out. Just bid his suit then run to my own suit. A pair playing against 2 GIBS could play HUMs and that would probably psych them out. If this is how you like to practise your bridge, then, by all means, go ahead. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 Installed the bots yesterday and already had a lot of fun. I keep thinking that BBO can't get any better and every time you guys prove how wrong I am. Great site! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 The bots feel a need on BBO, for sure. They fill in while waiting for a fiend. They don't play a horrible game of bridge. They don't play PERFECT of course. I had this (MisIry) hand today and I am certain the bot blew the play. [hv=d=e&v=n&n=shadakq985cq97654&w=sa985hqt4dt72ckj8&e=sjt43hkj862dj63c2&s=skq762h9753d4cat3]399|300|Scoring: IMPWest North East South - - Pass Pass Pass 1♦ Pass 1♠ Pass 3♣ Pass 5♣ Pass 6♣ Pass Pass Pass [/hv] The BOT went down by playing a line that required 2-2 clubs or EAST has club KJx and diamonds no worse than 4-2. This was doubly sad, as only four out of 16 tables found the slam (yes it is biddable without MisIry), and my bot was only declearer in clubs not to take 12 tricks. While 6C is easily reachable without MisIry, MisIry would have been... 3D - 4H5C - 5S6C - Pass (5S = cuebid at five level, shows value)6C = if I was interested in spade king, I would have bid 5NT to ask If south only bids 3H (wimpy in my view), the auction woudl have been very similar3D - 3H5C - 5S6C - Pass Sigh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAr Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 I recall back in the days where I played on the Zone (before setting up BBO, and then forgetting my password on my Zone account (so I can't play there anymore)), I remember the Bots. There were good for waiting on players and reserving seats while waiting for particular players while not delaying play. And, some players prefer to play alone with Bots. That being said, I don't know about BBO's new bots, but the Bots on the Zone did not bid/play perfectically. Also, it seems so easy to cheat against bots. You can always bid 7NT and claim. I don't mind playing computer opponents in Chess, but I prefer human partners and opponents in Bridge. That's my opinion. However, there are some good in Bots, like being able to play before having four players arrive at your table, or reserving seats for particular players without delaying play, or just for some good old-fashioned fun practice. I just hope there aren't too many tainted IMP scores in the MBC because of people bidding and claiming 7NT (even when they don't have the majority of HCP). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Carvesalot Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 Might be good if when watching vugraph you could click a button to ask what GIB would play next (single dummy), next to the one that asks what Deep Finesse would play next (double dummy). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 Might be good if when watching vugraph you could click a button to ask what GIB would play next (single dummy), next to the one that asks what Deep Finesse would play next (double dummy). You can push GIB while kibitzing any table (including Vugraph) and it will tell you what it would do (bid or play). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Is there any news on the General System and Convention Card which GIB uses in BBO-BOT mode at present? Thanks Allan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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