First hand preempt?

[Blofeld]

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The more I think about this hand, the more I'm unsure what the best action is. Thoughts?

[whereagles]

gambling 4 mi

[mcphee]

If you play gambling 3NT that is clearly what you do, or some bid that indicates a solid minor, perhpas 3S for some. If not I think you have to open 1C.

[inquiry]

3NT is the standard bid, I voted other, because i use 3♠ to show this kind of hand (some solid suit). Partner can bid 3NT if he wants to take shot at 3NT and we have right sided the contract, or he can bid 4♣ pass/correct to get out in my suit. Or he can bid 4♦ to ask me to bid any short suit i might hold as a slam try. Ths assumption when he bids 4♦ is he knows my solid suit because of his own holdings.

[Free]

3NT is quite useful, but as far as I remember a standard Gambling shouldn't contain any voids... :( Anyway, with my f2f partner we don't have a gambling 3NT since this is a constructive opening: 2♣.

[mike777]

Pass

 

Out on that limb alone.

1) Partner is an unpassed hand.

2) Not enough tricks for 3nt.

3) Solid suit so will not preempt.

4) No outside values so one bid is out.

5) No Drury so I can respond 2 Clubs

 

All the classic Gambling 3NT hands I see in bridge books and the Encyclopedia do not have a void. Perhaps your classic books show other?

[luke warm]

if you play gambling 3nt it seems you have to bid it (or whatever passes for it in your system)... 7 solid, no outside A,K

[scoob]

1♣ with my reg

3NT otherwise

[Double !]

3NT

OK, and do keep discipline and only bid 4H if P responds 4D.

[whereagles]

what the heck is 4D??

[the hog]

5C. Burgess' rule!

[Free]

5C. Burgess' rule!

What rule is that??? :D

[Finch]

what the heck is 4D??

Traditionally 4D in response to a gambling 3NT asks for a singleton.

[the hog]

5C. Burgess' rule!

What rule is that??? :rolleyes:

Stephen Burgess, a truly great player, and drinker, (so he will appeal to you Frederick), argued that 7-4 shapes should be opened at the game level.

[whereagles]

what the heck is 4D??

Traditionally 4D in response to a gambling 3NT asks for a singleton.

Ah. Then I guess 4H is the singleton. In that case, yes, bid 4H.

[EricK]

5C. Burgess' rule!

What rule is that??? :rolleyes:

Stephen Burgess, a truly great player, and drinker, (so he will appeal to you Frederick), argued that 7-4 shapes should be opened at the game level.

But that could mean you open this 3NT.

 

Eric

[beatrix45]

:lol: For whatever it is worth, the way I normally play is for the gambling 3NT opener to show a solid suit plus one outside stopper. One ♦ or ♣ followed by one ♥ or ♠ by partner (no interference) with a 3NT rebid shows a solid suit plus two outside stoppers. With this hand (and keeping Burgess' rule well in mind - tho I did encounter an exception the other day, the first one in quite a while) I say that I have 10 HCP, plus 3 distribution points for the heart void and one for the spade doubleton for a total of 14 points. I have two quick tricks and a good rebid. Here in the great white North we call this an opening bid of one in a suit (in this case clubs). I have no arguement with people who play differently, but I do believe one should have clear partnership agreements as to what these various bids show.

[SoTired]

I voted 3N. I understand squeemish in opening 3N with a void or a 7-4, but if you play 3N = solid 7-card minor with no outside aces or kings, you have to follow your system. BTW, when partner bids 4D asking for your shortness, how do you show it?

 

4H = heart shortness

4S = spade shortness

4N = 7222, no shortness

5C/5D = My suit. Other minor is shortness

 

Many play "Transfer Preempts" that allow playing all preempts with the known hand exposed and the unknown (possibly strong hand) closed. But transfer preempts also has at least 2 disadvantages: 1) Complexity - One disaster wipes out many advantages, 2) Allows opps 2 ways to takeout, dbl and q-bid

 

I like this structure of gambling 3N, combined with Kokish. All show a solid 7card minor of at least AKQxxxx or AKJxxxxx. 1/2 trick = Kx or Q10x.

 

3N = 7-8 tricks, no outside A/K.

1m - 1x - 3N = 7.5 - 8 tricks. An outside ace, king, or 2 kings

2C - 2D - 3N = 8.5 to 9 tricks, 1.5 to 2.5 stoppers

2C - 2D - 2H - 2S - 3N = 9.5 to 10 tricks, 2.5 to 3 stoppers

 

Hope this is useful.

[POJC]

3NT

I would like to hear what ZAR would bid with this hand, since it's 31 ZAR points. But since all gambling 3NTs must be above 26 points it doesn't make sense

[P_Marlowe]

3 NT gambling, if you have it available,

be happy to use it, it wont happen often,

and 3NT describes your hand pretty well.

 

Marlowe

[mikeh]

3N

 

If gambling, then obvious. Don't worry about the void: the 'book' doesn't show hands with voids so as not to get people thinking that they have to have one B)

 

But I would bid it even playing 3N as a 4-level minor preempt: usually denying a solid suit. I would open this 1♣ only if the opps promised to pass.

 

My 'toy' for this hand is 2♠, any solid suit. I can do this when playing 2♥ is a weak 2 in a major.

 

Over 2♠, 2N asks opener to bid the suit below the solid suit, ensuring that responder gets to play 3 of the 4 possible denominations, and of course he can often bid 3N. 3♣ is pass or correct for non-game hands.

[Gerben42]

Obvious 3NT gambling.

 

As a side remark, do not play that Gambling shows a side stopper. If partner then has two stoppers in the side suits and passes hoping you stop the third, invariably you don't and opponents happily cash their suit. A typical hand would look like this:

 

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After 3NT from West, East will not know if he should pass or not. If 3NT denies a side stopper things are easy.