Walddk Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 Off topic, true, but I would like to take the opportunity to thank Frances Hinden for being one of regular visitors to the Forums. Her posts are always very articulate, and her points well substantiated. As you may have seen in another thread, Frances will also be on our panel of experts (BBO Polls) from now on, and only recently did she join as one of our vugraph commentators. Very skillful is this area too. Great asset in all respects! Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 If you really believe double is penalties, you have to leave it in. But partner does not know anything about my hand. How can he double for penalty then? Those who say this double is penalty, do you expect partner to have a 6-card spades? In that case, I would call the double psyche-exposing rather than penalty. As soon as either partner has described his hand, say with a preemptive opening, the other partner is captain and you can agree that certain doubles are 100% penalty. But as long as neither partner is captain, doubles must be descriptive. You can agree that this double shows four spades and denies four hearts. Fine. Maybe this could be termed "penalty" (a question of semantics). But you don't have to pass it, of course. Say you think that seven trumps are needed to defend doubled at the one-level. Then you pass with three and take out with two. (Of course, there is more to bidding than counting trumps, but you get my point). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 If you really believe double is penalties, you have to leave it in. i don't buy that at all... that's the same as saying, if you really believe a double is take out, you must take it out judgment is allowed... that's why postmortems were invented Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 If you really believe double is penalties, you have to leave it in. i don't buy that at all... that's the same as saying, if you really believe a double is take out, you must take it out judgment is allowed... that's why postmortems were invented OK, sorry,.... If you believe double is penalties, you have to leave it in _given the hand you hold_ I would bid with a singleton or void spade, or with a long suit.In the same way as I would pass a take-out double with long trumps. But I also admit I wouldn't leave it in _unless_ I was playing with one of my two regular partners because I wouldn't be sufficiently confident we were on the same page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 i tend to agree with that... i believe the double was for penalty, and the only reason i'd bid 3nt is because i think that's a hundred points better... but you're probably right, with this hand it's better to pass *if* you think it's penalty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Agree with Ben. 3NT is a good bid, but can live with 2NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Pass seems quite obvious to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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