No Agreement, playing wit advanced to expert

[inquiry]

IMP, you are vul, they are not.

 

Pard  RHO  You  LHO

  1♦   (1♠)  Pass   Pass

1NT

 

As an added bonus, please describe the hand you LEAST LIKELY expect the 1NT bidder to hold.

[flytoox]

Ben, did you just play with some self-rated 'expert' who rebid 1N with a weak NT hand? Just curious.

[whereagles]

Least likely: balanced or unbalanced hand with 15-20 hcp. (What it should be..)

 

Most likely: balanced 13-14 hcp. (Completely wrong, but most people bid like that.)

[luis]

At IMPs I think the std is 18-19 balanced.

At MPs I think it's just 12-14

[coyot]

1NT is equal to 1♦-1x-2NT in uncontested auction - and while it does not necessarily promise good diamonds, I would expect the declarer to see 6 very likely tricks in hand as he can't expect much from his partner to make.

 

Bidding 1NT on great diamonds with weak hand (1.5 spade stopper and 6 tricks in diamonds) is a nice MP trick, but against any competent opps you will get a non-spade lead and likely throw half of your good diamonds down the gutter - so I would vote against doing it. Any great diamonds could be, anyway, opened 1NT :P.

 

I would use takeout double with any ugly 18-19 safely - because partner might happen to have long spades and will be happy to pass.

 

12-14 should be the least likely hand if opener is intermediate or advanced - because he surely must have bid weak NT before and get that disaster imprinted well in his memory. (I recall my first and last weak NT reopen 5 years back in living colours :)).

 

I don't like the option that offers strong NT OR long good diamonds, because if my p re-evaluates his hand, expecting 18-19 with spade stoppers, we might end up in a bad fix (playng 3NT with 10 points in diamonds, 8 points in spades and a few queens and jacks in the two suits that opponents cash :-).

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

1) 18-19, to good to open NT

2) No idea, for every impossible hand I may invent, there

will be another hand, beating the invented one.

 

Marlowe

[Free]

Strong balanced hand imo.

 

Least possible: ♣-♦ two-suiter

[inquiry]

Ben, did you just play with some self-rated 'expert' who rebid 1N with a weak NT hand? Just curious.

No... this poll is meant to demonstrate the difference between a balancing 1NT when you have never bid compared to a "reopening" 1NT after you opened and partner passed their overcall.

 

And yes, in part because this auction came up, and we went for telephone number. But the person involved is friend, just they think the bid means one thing, so I wanted to show (see?) how many of the community play the bid the way he does. Just the same, this will be useful anyway.... for those who don't know the correct answer before reading the poll. I have no doubt what the "correct" answer is, and I also know what the worse possible hand is...

[Wiste1]

Hi all

 

Allways ♠stopper....18-19 balanced or good hand with long ♦

I would NEVER expect 11-17 balanced (15-17nt)

[luis]

Forgot the bonus question

 

What I really don't expect him to hold is some 5431 with 4 spades and 5 diamonds :-)

 

Luis

[Finch]

I think the least likely is an equal shot between 12-14 balanced and a club/diamond two-suiter.

[Blofeld]

I think the least likely is thirteen spades and out.

 

... I may be misinterpreting the question.

[cherdano]

Ben, did you just play with some self-rated 'expert' who rebid 1N with a weak NT hand? Just curious.

No, I rate myself as 'advanced' -- maybe I should rethink that :rolleyes:

The really bad thing is that I would probably have voted 18-19 NT hand here, as everyone else. But at the table I too often transfrom the meaning of the bid into what I would like it to be with my current hand (Holding a weak NT, I thought 1♠ and 1NT would both make, so...).

 

Arend

[bearmum]

IMP, you are vul, they are not.

 

Pard  RHO  You  LHO

  1♦   (1♠)  Pass   Pass

1NT

 

As an added bonus, please describe the hand you LEAST LIKELY expect the 1NT bidder to hold.

I voted "other " as I feel that it could be either 18-19 or "17-19 or long D + ♠ stopper"

 

The least likely is "balancing with weak NT"

[awm]

I agree that 18-19 balanced is what it should mean, but having watched experts on BBO I'd have to say 12-14 with a stopper might be the most "likely" meaning.

 

Least likely probably long diamonds plus a stopper.

[helene_t]

The textbook answer is 18-19 bal, of course, but I can immagine some strong 4252-, 3361- or 2254-hands that might try 1NT as well, depending on scoring and vulnerability and whether we play negative freebids. It is not something worth making agreements about. Basically, it is either 18-19 bal or some awkward hand that you decide to sell as an 18-19 bal.

[pclayton]

It shows a good balanced 17 - 19. There is no other answer! Even playing a 12-14 NT that's what it shows. If you want to fudge the shape a little, that's OK.

 

I suppose that you can make an agreement that the bid means "I HAVE 'X'" but its not what the bid is supposed to mean.

 

I'd love to know what your pard thinks the bid means Ben.

[inquiry]

It shows a good balanced 17 - 19. There is no other answer! Even playing a 12-14 NT that's what it shows. If you want to fudge the shape a little, that's OK.

 

I suppose that you can make an agreement that the bid means "I HAVE 'X'" but its not what the bid is supposed to mean.

 

I'd love to know what your pard thinks the bid means Ben.

My parnter thought it was a balancing 1NT showing weak 1NT, good spades. In fact, had the worse holding imho. Four spades KQJ and 11 or 12 points, I don't remember which.

 

This poll was to show, what I knew the answer would be.. because when i explained what 1NT shows, i got the definite impression I wasn't believed.