inquiry Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 [hv=d=w&v=n&s=sa762hdkt963ct984]133|100|Scoring: IMPBP0-004FWest North East South (1♦) 1♥ Pass Pass(DBL) Pass Pass ? Submitted by BBF member, temp3600[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 I chose rdbl, but with a 6-card hearts p may have nowhere to go. Guess I'm not allowed to make computer simulations at the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badderzboy Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 Ditto, XX with ♥ support I'd raise so XX must be SOS... Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 BP0-004F: Redouble First comment: I really dislike my initial pass. I would haveadvanced 1S and would have been positioned better.Second comment: Having passed initially, I'm happy to redouble. Myhand will play better in ANY other strain than in hearts. If partnerdecided that he wants to shoot out 1HXX than my extra strength will bea welcome surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 Pass. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 XX, looks fairly textbook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 Redouble for rescue. With trepidation, mind you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 Rewind, send it back aka redbl. 1) opps thinks that they gotcha and you have support for all the other suits. 2) a similar hand was presented by Reese eons ago, I think in the book "Develop Your Bidding Judgment"/ the name of the book was since changed.) He made the point that, unlikely as it might be, P might actually be sitting with very good hearts (and the opps had an accident), and if you RDBL instead of bidding something else like 1NT, etc, at least you won't be hearing P say "P, why did you bid? I had 7,8 etc tricks in my hand!!!) Rdbl is the most flexible bid IMO because it does give partner the option of playing 1HXX if P actually has very good hearts. If not, he'll bid something else. Just don't make cheesy 1-level overcalls on 6-card suits that most would make a jump-overcall with because P will never be able to read it and will hang you by RDBLing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 BP0-004F: Redouble First comment: I really dislike my initial pass. I would haveadvanced 1S and would have been positioned better.Second comment: Having passed initially, I'm happy to redouble. Myhand will play better in ANY other strain than in hearts. If partnerdecided that he wants to shoot out 1HXX than my extra strength will bea welcome surprise. ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 i don't want to xx and have partner pass because of nothing better to do.. i'll just bid 1♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 i don't want to xx and have partner pass because of nothing better to do.. i'll just bid 1♠ I voted for 1NT. 1♠ is my second choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 Xx Love thy pard - don't make him play a Hawaii 5-0 on offense. The opps can see its the 1 level as well, so trumps are breaking really miserably. Mind you, 1S or 2C won't be a picnic, but even 2D is possible. And maybe the opps may give up the pursuit if neither has a stack in our runout suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 i don't want to xx and have partner pass because of nothing better to do.. i'll just bid 1♠ Even if it isn't the right action playing with a pick-up on BBO, I think you need to trust partner more than this in a bidding poll! Most 3622 hands are going to pull to 1S if you redouble, if you bid 1S then you are potentially leaving yourself in a 4-1 fit and you won't be able to play 1H XX when it is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 who said anything about not trusting partner? i can think of hands where he has absolutely no idea of what to do after an xx... 'course xx will probably get the most votes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 What hand won't he know what to do with, and how will he be better placed after 1♠ from you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42 Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 I also vote for XX. The reasons are already mentioned ;) Caren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 I only see 2 possible bids here: 1NT and XX(Redouble is clearly SOS here, otherwise you would have supported S before)I don't like 1♠. Maybe partner has only singleton S and 5 card C? Disadvantage of XX is that you exclude 1NT and that could very well be the best contract. (or should XX also promise a good ♦ stop, giving partner really a choice between 1S, 1NT and 2C. I don't think that anybody agreed this?) I choose XX here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 I can only see 2 possible calls: pass or redouble. Since redouble shows exactly this pattern (and is 100% clear!) and leaves all options open to partner, it has to be superior to any other rescue action. I agree with Luke Warm that partner may have a hand where passing would work best, but I think that for most hands it won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 What hand won't he know what to do with, and how will he be better placed after 1♠ from you? how bout a 3=6=2=2 13 count? should he bid diamonds after his rho opened the suit? clubs? spades? no trump? or take a chance and pass? we both know there are lots of hands that would make him grimace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Unless the hearts are solid, that sounds very much like a 1♠ bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 maybe.. as i said, most will probably xx... it wouldn't surprise me if nobody bid 1♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 maybe.. as i said, most will probably xx... it wouldn't surprise me if nobody bid 1♠ Jimmy, I think 1S should promise 5 cards. If 1S is the right contract, pd can always bid it. 1S is committal while xx is more flexible. xx didnt give up 1s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted July 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 At first I started not to use this problem, the redouble seems so obvious. But then, the more I looked at this hand, the more I thought there might be a few other options, so I reconsidered and used it. Some one might choose to pass, but I thought 1NT would occur to more than few. However, in fact, the panel spoke with almost one voice. So much so, that Fred made a prediction that came so close to coming true. Fred Rdbl My first ever prediction for a unanimous panel. One thing Fred’s prediction on this hand is much closer to correct than Luis prediction last hand. Agreeing with redouble was, well…. almost everyone. FLUFFY ”Redouble, I try to avoid using this convention, but today seems the day. “ Poky Rdbl Rdbl is S.O.S. with equal length in blacks (4054 or 4144). With 5044/5134 I would bid 1♠and with 4045/4135 I would bid 1NT as S.O.S.” cherdano Redouble. SOS!” Walddk Redouble . I have a lot of respect for people who penalize me at the 1-level vul. 1♥ doubled will be no fun. No guarantee of a fit when I run, but let's get away from 1♥ as soon as possible. By the way, 2[di ]could easily be our best spot.” Dinos1 RDL. SOS. Prefer to have more trumps than opponents reisig . RDBL (I can't play 1♥ and hear the tirade later)” ng “Redouble. Escape. We are in trouble, except if partner has 4 clubs. Even 1♠ or 2♦ are better if North has 3 cards. 1♥ and 1N are 2-3 down, so I pray fo(u)r clubs.” Of the panelist, only Luis and Henri seemed willing to consider other options, and only Henri actually picked a different bid. Luis XX, ”This is an interesting problem, passing 1hx is an option 1♠ is also an option but if LHO doubles 1♠ and this is passed back to me I think I will be in a problem, pd may play my hand for 5 spades and pass 1♠x with a doubleton and 4♣. That's why I prefer XX it asks for help and tells pd that I can play in spades, clubs and even diamonds and since I couldn't bid 1♠ it must show 4 spades (probably) 4 clubs and 4 diamonds or 4 clubs and 5 diamonds. I expect any exp pd to understand the meaning of XX quite well. In some scenarios XX offers some extra chances for success, for example opener may pull with some distributional hands. Since it was submitted by a BBF member I think it's time to say that I liked the problem” Ritong 1NT i hope my cards will play better in a NT spot. my partner knew this would happen, so i suspect he does not hold 4 ♠s.". I think the problem with sticking in 1♥ is Burn's Law of Total Trumps, as stated by Sergey. It surely is better to have more trumps than the opponents. For scoring, what can I say? RDBL 100, and 1NT 40, pass 20. The votes,Fred RDBLLuis RDBLWalddk RDBLFluffy RDBLcherdano RDBLreisig RDBLritong 1NTng RDBLDinos1 RDBLPoky RDBL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Henri - time to cue The Beatles? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Ben,Without this problem, I would get the full score. :lol: Henri,Without your vote, I would get 0 on this. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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