inquiry Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 [hv=d=w&v=b&s=sakt974h5d73cqjt4]133|100|Scoring: IMPBPO-OO4CWest North East South Pass Pass (1♥) 1♠ (1NT) 2♥ Pass ?[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badderzboy Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 I bid 3♣ to show a second suit and a little more than minimum and happy to compete to 3♠. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 BP0-004C: 4S So, what IS the difference between a 2H and 2NT cue bid? Logically,2NT should show 4 card trump support and (potentially) a higher ODR.Which means that 2H shows 3 Hearts. In either case, partner should besitting on roughly 8 losers. His eight plus my 6 strongly suggestthat a 4S game has a decent shot. With this said and done the 1NT biddoes give some cause for concern. RHO is red so he probablydoesn't have a preemptive heart raise. I see two reasonable bids with this hand: 1. Bid 3C and help partner make an intelligent decision regardingwhether or not to bid a close game2. Bid an immediate 4S and make the defense as rough as possible forthe opponents If parter had bid 2NT I'd happily blast to 4S, firmly convinced thatthis is the best bid. As it is, I'm still bidding 4S. Pinpointingthe defense via a 3C game try is too dangerous. However, I'm muchless convinced that this is the right course of action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 3C, game try. Marlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ochinko Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 3C, game try. Marlowe Ouch! This suggests about 15 pts in these vulns, with 5:4. Partner will be happy to bid 3NT with xxKJxQTxxAxx The lead from RHO is a small diamond ;) Petko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 Ochinko - I think 2♥ by a passed hand must promise a fit. I tried creating hands for partner. Assuming you have a trump loser, I think partner needs a pretty perfect hand to make 4♠ a good contract. My call was 2♠, but maybe 3♠ would have been better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 Partner will be happy to bid 3NT with xxKJxQTxxAxx Partner's 2♥ showed 3+ spades support (some would say exactly 3). With this hand (with a club added to make 13 cards), he could have doubled 1NT (or passed). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ochinko Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 Ochinko - I think 2♥ by a passed hand must promise a fit. I tried creating hands for partner. Assuming you have a trump loser, I think partner needs a pretty perfect hand to make 4♠ a good contract. My call was 2♠, but maybe 3♠ would have been better. My fault. I misread the bidding. Thought 2H were from LHO. Petko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 3♣ for me, hoping this is some sort of game-try with club values. By the way, why didn't I bid a straight 2 or 3♠ the first round? ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 I bid 3♣ to show a second suit and a little more than minimum and happy to compete to 3♠. Steve you are not alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 I chose 3 clubs, too. I felt that this was a very difficult hand to evaluate due to lho's 1NT bid (which might be a psyche) and the question of where the hearts are on this hand. I and most players from the states that I know play that the cue bid shows a limit raise of some sort (we can discuss whether it shows 3 or 4-card support/ some play 2NT = 4-card support). So, I don't know if I have 5 or 6 likely losers in my hand given lho's 1NT bid (if legit, it is likely showing the supported queen. But if he doesn't have heart support, how many hearts does that leave P? Any honors will be led through (rho didn't dbl 2H). So I still think I am too good for simple 2 spade rebid, and 3 spades is meaningless to P. I'll try a help-needed game try. Seems to be consistent with my cards. (Hey P: ya got anything good in clubs? No, go fish!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 I bid 3S. MY hand is not min for 1S overcall, but not strong enough to jump to 4S. I dont think 3C will gain you much information. 3S should show good spade suit and pd will know what to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 3C Maybe partner's hand is: XXXXXXXAQXXAX Interesting debate over 1s versus 2s overcall after p=p=1h=? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 i chose 2♠ because i have a minimum hand with 6 spades.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 I bid 2♠ Minimum hand ( surely P has max 3♠s ) and 6 Spades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 I bid 3S. MY hand is not min for 1S overcall, but not strong enough to jump to 4S. I dont think 3C will gain you much information. 3S should show good spade suit and pd will know what to do. Interesting, I was considering 3♠ as a preemptive action... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 3C. Without the 1N call I'd just chance 4S and hope for the right cards or defense. Pard's cue usually shows 3 card support and unless LHO is joking, trumps aren't splitting 2-2. So he seems right to throttle back a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 i chose 2♠ because i have a minimum hand with 6 spades.. 2♠ shows a minimum with 5 ♠ (note that this means 7+, not 11+ since you don't sue weak 2's with 5 card suits) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 I bid 3S. MY hand is not min for 1S overcall, but not strong enough to jump to 4S. I dont think 3C will gain you much information. 3S should show good spade suit and pd will know what to do. Interesting, I was considering 3♠ as a preemptive action... Not sure if 3S is defined preemptive in BBO advancec. But I think logically playing 3S as preemptive is wrong here. We have the spade suit, and they didnot find a fit. How could 3S be preemptive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 I bid 2♠ Minimum hand ( surely P has max 3♠s ) and 6 Spades I would hardly consider such an elegant 6-loser hand a "minimum", but ok ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42 Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 3♣. I want to show p that I have a distributional hand and that I am interested in game but need him ;) Caren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 [hv=d=w&v=b&s=sakt974h5d73cqjt4]133|100|Scoring: IMPBPO-OO4CWest North East South Pass Pass (1♥) 1♠ (1NT) 2♥ Pass ?[/hv]I choose 3♠. I want to show my extra length in ♠. Having too much for 2♠ and not enough for 4♠.I picked 3♠ instead of 3♣ because I was not sure that partner showed a ♠ fit with his cue-bid. But probably after the 1NT bid by opps, the cue-bid clearly shows a limit raise in ♠ and then 3♣ shows your hand best? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 I think 3S should be preemptive since there are 4 game tries available. It shows a hand that would always be bidding 3S over LHO's call over your (presumed) 2S call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 I think 3S should be preemptive since there are 4 game tries available. It shows a hand that would always be bidding 3S over LHO's call over your (presumed) 2S call. How can 3S be preemptive? Opp dont have a fit and you own spade suit. On reflection I think 3S might not be a good bid. The problem is pd will misinterpret my meaning. He might think it ask for good trump support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 I think 3S should be preemptive since there are 4 game tries available. It shows a hand that would always be bidding 3S over LHO's call over your (presumed) 2S call. How can 3S be preemptive? Opp dont have a fit and you own spade suit. Opps do have a fit, they just don't know where it is yet. If you pass they will find it. I agree that the case for making a preemptive bid here is less than in other cases, but if you make some 3♠ bids blocking and others invitational how are you going to agree with partner when each applies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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