inquiry Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 [hv=d=w&v=e&s=sj843hkt953dkcat4]133|100|Scoring: IMPBPO-004A West North East South Pass 1♣ 1♦ 1♥ 3♦ 3♥ Pass ? 3♦ was "preemptive". Your bid as south[/hv] It is time to send in your replies if you are sitting on them, the contest closes very shortly.. I thought as tradition has it, I would open the first hand for discussion even while the polls were open (the pro's have voted). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 I voted 4H. Pass seem too pessimistic, even though the diamond king is likely wasted. Shape and spotcards are great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 4H, we play IMP's, wtp ? B) Marlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 I'm not quite sure what the alternative to 4♥ is - are we meant to pass or make a slam try?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Count me as another 4♥ bidder. I think pass is too timid. I have a wasted K in diamonds, but my club spots are a positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTodd13 Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Give me a black suit K rather than the ♦K and I may contemplate slam. Given the hand though, I have to echo "what's the problem?" Todd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Count me as another 4♥ bidder. I think pass is too timid. I have a wasted K in diamonds, but my club spots are a positive. I bid a very timid 4H. But I am more pessimistic.My partner will have:XXX=AQJT=XX=KQJT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted July 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Count me as another 4♥ bidder. I think pass is too timid. I have a wasted K in diamonds, but my club spots are a positive. Yes, Matt.. I KNEW you would (did) bid 4♥... :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Maybe we should have a vote first: Did 1♥ promise 4 or 5 of them? Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Four. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 1♥ promises 4 here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Yes, Matt.. I KNEW you would (did) bid 4♥... :-) Hmm. Does that mean I'm an overbidder or an underbidder? Or does it mean I don't have a good poker face? Either way I'm sure I'm guilty as charged. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted July 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Yes, Matt.. I KNEW you would (did) bid 4♥... :-) Hmm. Does that mean I'm an overbidder or an underbidder? Or does it mean I don't have a good poker face? Either way I'm sure I'm guilty as charged. ;) No.. it just means YOU PLAYED this hand... :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Laugh. And to think that I should *know* the correct answer then on the hand. At least I was consistent. So much for the memory. Getting senile in my old age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 OK:Dissenter #1 to speak. I voted for 4 clubs, what I refer to as an "on the way to" bid.A cue bid below 4 of agreed major need not be an out and out slam try. I am just showing the ace on the way to bidding 4 hearts; it costs nothing to make this bid. IMO, failure to do so denies having that card. (Cue bidding below 5m is another story: that should be a slam try.) Partner is, to some degree, the limited hand on this auction and, if the club cue bid doesn't turn him/her on, he/she can use whatever "no interest bid" that he/she has available. (lol: at first glance I thought this hand was intended to see if people considered 3NT by responder as Serious?) My hand is not exactly that awful, even if you make the D-K a small stiff.My point is, 4C does not push the partnership past game, and still leaves me room to make a slam try if I so desire after partner's response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Hehe, 4H is so clear that I think this is the worst problem so far:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 I found the hand. All I can say is "power to the people!" hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 BP0-004A: 4C Interesting hand. I can construct a "perfect minimum" hand where slamhas a decent shot. For example, give partner AAJxxxxxKQxxx And slam looks pretty good. (I would have opened 1N with this hand,but thats another story) With this said and done, parter has shown aweak hand and there is a real danger of getting overboard. This handbecomes quite easy if serious 3NT is available. I can simple cue bid4C and partner will be well placed to advance. I suspect that thehand was included to explore whether Serious 3N applies in competitivesequences. I know Hamman's rule. Even so, I LIKE Serious 3N and think that itshould apply here. In the absence of Serious 3NT, the risk of cuebidding is too great and I'll be forced to advance with 4H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Thanks, Richard I was beginning to feel alone with my 4C bid. You realize, of course, that we'll both be lucky to get more that 50pts for this. Just one question: please explain how partner has shown a weak hand on this bidding? P could've passed 3D and then supported if the heart hand re-opens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Wasn't it Hamman's partner who said "don't play me for the perfect hand, I never have it". I know you are a sound opener when playing 2/1 hrothgar, but this really isn't a minimum! Can you really construct a minimum where slam is good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 I know you are a sound opener when playing 2/1 hrothgar, but this really isn't a minimum! Can you really construct a minimum where slam is good? Presumably Richard would expect his partner to pass 3♦ with the weakest hands with 4 card support? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 I know you are a sound opener when playing 2/1 hrothgar, but this really isn't a minimum! Can you really construct a minimum where slam is good? I thought he just did. (a minimum for bidding 3H directly) Here's another one, albeit somewhat unlikely: x, AQxx, Ax, KJxxxx I assert that the 4C bid does not necessarily need to show much slam interest at this point in the auction. And, is it clear that this is necessarily your side's hand? The Opps are Vul, P has show clubs and hearts: opps have mucho diamonds, and where are the spades? Whatcha gonna do in the very unlikely event that opps bid 4S or 5D at this vul.? Showing P where your cards lay might turn out to be very beneficial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Here's another one, albeit somewhat unlikely: x, AQxx, Ax, KJxxxx With Richard's example hand open 1nt..so that is out.With this example hand bid 4h not 3h so this one is out. Lawrence says 3H may be around:XXX=AJX=AX=KQ9XX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 I know you are a sound opener when playing 2/1 hrothgar, but this really isn't a minimum! Can you really construct a minimum where slam is good? Presumably Richard would expect his partner to pass 3♦ with the weakest hands with 4 card support? Mike has touched on the crux of the matter... What is the appropriate "minimum" hand for a 3H bid on the auction in question...More importantly, is partner obligated to bid 3H holding any weak NT and 4 card Heart support? As Jillybean points out, partner's 1H bid only promises 4 card support.Styles that force a 3H bid holding S KxxH KxxxD xxC AQxx Don't seem sound. I suspect that the 3D bidder would be able to exploit this element of the system... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 >I know you are a sound opener when playing 2/1 hrothgar, but this really isn't a minimum! >Can you really construct a minimum where slam is good? As I noted earlier, I don't think that partner should bid 3H on any random 12 count with 4 card Heart support. Here's the weakest hand that I think has reasonable play for slam S AH AQxxD xx C QJxxxx >Wasn't it Hamman's partner who said "don't play me for the perfect hand, I never have it". I don't recall who coined that turn of phrase (I've definitely seen it before). Regardless...There are a number of stronger hands equally consistant with 3H where slam is also reasonable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.