xx1943 Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=s8743hdaqj182caqt]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] the bidding: SOUTH WEST. NORTH EAST...1♦........p.........1♠.......p...3♥.......p.........4♦........p..???? 3 hearts is splinter showing singleton or void4 hearts instead of 3 had been splinter with void for sure4 diamond is a Cue Italien style showing first or second round control,...no 1. or 2. round club-control AND small slam interest. 1) Do you agree with 3 ♥?2) what is your bid now?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 4♥ seems obvious, let partner know you are void now and he will have all the info he needs if he bids 3NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 3H is an overbid. Having done that, now I retreat to 4S. Call me a wimp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 Would bidding 4S here say that a club control doesn't exist? I think it would, so 4H for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 1) 3H was an overbid. You are suggesting slam, when game is very dubious opposite a minimum.2) 4S. Pd is as likely to have a singleton diamond as the king. You have already ovebid. Put on the brakes now. If pd has a big hand he will continue. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 Yes 3♥ was an overbid (unless it was game invitational only). Still I feel like I have to bid 4♥ now. Partner may have a huge hand but two small clubs and won't be able to continue over 4♠. Also, since 4♥ confirms all controls, I would think it denies extras -- with extras AND all controls, I can just go on. Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 Would bidding 4S here say that a club control doesn't exist? I think it would, so 4H for me. If pd is only concerned with club control. He can still bid 5S to invite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 1) 3h was fine. Should show around 15-17 total pts and short hearts and long spades.2) 4h now, again showing around 15-17 total pts and void in hearts.3) Partner should not be cuebidding a stiff or void in D, I bid that suit. 4D must show K of D and partner should not cuebid if they have no slam interest across from 15-17 total pts and short hearts.4) Partner should be captain on this hand as I have limited my hand and partner is unlimited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 i think 4♥ stands out.. partner can sign off with wasted values... imo 3♥ was probably a little bold, but there's good playing strength here so i wouldn't criticize it too much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 Ditto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 question: If, instead of bidding 4♥, if I bid 5♣, does that imply heart void, or deny heart void, seeing that I've taken the bidding past 4NT making it sort of difficult for partner to ask for key cards at this point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elianna Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 4♥ seems obvious, let partner know you are void now and he will have all the info he needs if he bids 3NT How's he bidding 3NT over 4♥? ;) Anyway, I take it you mean 4NT. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 question: If, instead of bidding 4♥, if I bid 5♣, does that imply heart void, or deny heart void, seeing that I've taken the bidding past 4NT making it sort of difficult for partner to ask for key cards at this point? i'd say 5♣ shows a ♥stiff.. i don't like that bid much, because i think i already overstated my hand with 3♥... i'd rather partner have the chance to bid 4♠ if 5 of his hcp is in hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
civill Posted July 5, 2005 Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 The problem is not from controls.How do you know the quality of PD's ♠?SO I don't think 3♥ rebid is good enough.I would bid 4♠ directly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 5, 2005 Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 4H, which shows a C control the way I play. Partner should definitely NOT be cueing a D shortage, so we can assume he has the DK. The quality of the S suit is the key to whether a slam is possible. Pd can KC or bid 5S to check trump quality. I will pass his 4S bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 5, 2005 Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 If you can splinter with as little as this, either Serious 3NT and/or Last Train should apply. So 4♠. I'm not familiar with Italian style, though, so I'm probably wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xx1943 Posted July 5, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 Here are the 4 hands:[hv=d=s&v=n&n=sakjt93hj975d6c87&w=s7hqt863dk74ck653&e=sq4hak42d982cj942&s=s8652hdaqjt53caqt]399|300|Scoring: MP[/hv] My partner and I bid: SOUTH WEST. NORTH EAST...1♦........p.........1♠.......p...4♠.......p..........p........p we got only 25% :angry: in this hand and don't know why and how to bid this slamMaybe other EW were bidding hearts strongly, then it may be easier. :( Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted July 5, 2005 Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 question: If, instead of bidding 4♥, if I bid 5♣, does that imply heart void, or deny heart void, seeing that I've taken the bidding past 4NT making it sort of difficult for partner to ask for key cards at this point? I think anything that skips 4♥ denies a void. Except maybe 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 5, 2005 Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 Here are the 4 hands:[hv=d=s&v=n&n=sakjt93hj975d6c87&w=s7hqt863dk74ck653&e=sq4hak42d982cj942&s=s8652hdaqjt53caqt]399|300|Scoring: MP[/hv] My partner and I bid: SOUTH WEST. NORTH EAST...1♦........p.........1♠.......p...4♠.......p..........p........p we got only 25% :) in this hand and don't know why and how to bid this slamMaybe other EW were bidding hearts strongly, then it may be easier. :( Al HMMM 4S shows huge hand with no shortness yes? Responder closer to bidding 7spades then passing 4s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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