finesse157 Posted June 21, 2023 Report Share Posted June 21, 2023 I think I am missing something here, but why would you not give a ruff when all the Diamonds are known https://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=st||pn|,~~v3fakebot,~~v3fakebot,~~v3fakebot|md|1SAQJ973HJ6DJCK632,S6HKQT874DKTCA954,SHA953D976542CJT8,SKT8542H2DAQ83CQ7|sv|e|rh||ah|Board%203|mb|1S|an|Major%20suit%20opening%20--%205+%20!S;%2011-21%20HCP;%2012-22%20total%20points|mb|2H|an|Two-level%20overcall%20--%205+%20!H;%2010+%20HCP;%2011-18%20total%20points|mb|P|mb|2N|an|11-13%20HCP;%20stop%20in%20!S|mb|P|mb|4H|an|13+%20HCP;%20strong%20rebiddable%20!H;%2014-17%20total%20points|mb|P|mb|P|mb|P|pc|D5|pc|DQ|pc|DJ|pc|DT|pc|H2|pc|H6|pc|HK|pc|HA|pc|CJ|pc|CQ|pc|CK|pc|CA|pc|HQ|pc|H5|pc|S2|pc|HJ|pc|HT|pc|H3|pc|S4|pc|S3|pc|DK|pc|D2|pc|D3|pc|S7|pc|H7|pc|H9|pc|S5|pc|S9|pc|CT|pc|C7|pc|C2|pc|C5|pc|C8|pc|ST|pc|C3|pc|C4|pc|D9|pc|DA|pc|SJ|pc|S6|pc|D8|pc|C6|pc|C9|pc|D7|pc|S8|pc|SQ|pc|H8|pc|D6|pc|H4|pc|D4|pc|SK|pc|SA| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorvald Posted June 21, 2023 Report Share Posted June 21, 2023 GIB simulated, that partner had no more trumps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finesse157 Posted June 21, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2023 I thought that, but that would have given south 5+ clubs. I gave the simulator the trump void hand, and a few hands with 5/5 S/C. My simulation still gives 60+% for the ruff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smerriman Posted June 21, 2023 Report Share Posted June 21, 2023 Nah, it's not that at all. It's just the usual situation of GIB not making any deductions / assumptions based on past played cards. So even though there is a 0% chance you would have played the ♦J on the first round with ♦KJ, it simply doesn't know that. In fact, quite the opposite - when deciding what to play at trick 3 it thinks there's about a 65% chance you have the ♦K to make up the points that S/W have shown. (I've said a few times in the past on the forum it used to have this type of logic built in when Ginsberg originally programmed it, but it got removed for being too slow / not working properly). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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