pescetom Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 MP [hv=pc=n&s=sk643hakq7d87ca74&n=sqjt2hj932da9ck98&d=n&v=e&b=9&a=1c(2%2B)p1h4d4hp4s(Control)p5c(Control%2C%20odd%20kc)p5hppp]320|240[/hv] NS are playing 2/1 with 15-17 NT, 1♣ could be 2 in 4=4=3=2 and excludes 4 card diamonds unless longer.West is usually conservative, but has faced aggressive pre-empts from NS in the past and maybe decided it was time to give them some of their own medicine.North opts for 4♥ and South thinks there might be more, but they stop in 5♥.The lead of ♦K is no surprise to declarer, but the dummy is. 1. Are you going to concede three tricks ? If not, what is your plan? (please use a spoiler for first 24 hours to allow as many as possible to think). 2. Are you happy with North's opening and choice of 4♥ and with South's decision to investigate slam (no spoiler required)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 I didn't open the north hand so we're not going slamming. The most obvious way to avoid losing 3 tricks is for W to hold 8 diamonds to the KQJ and not the spade ace unless it's stiff, my plan is to draw trumps hoping for a 3-2 break. Cash one club and play spades, hoping E doesn't have a second diamond so I can cash 2 clubs and exit a diamond to W, or W is 1381 and is endplayed with the spade ace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pescetom Posted March 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 I didn't open the north hand so we're not going slamming.Fair enough, also a strong NT by South will probably not elict 4♦ at this vulnerability. But as South would you go slamming if North opened? The most obvious way to avoid losing 3 tricks is for W to hold8 diamonds to the KQJ and not the spade ace unless it's stiff, my plan is to draw trumps hoping for a 3-2 break. Cash one club and play spades, hoping E doesn't have a second diamond so I can cash 2 clubs and exit a diamond to W, or W is 1381 and is endplayed with the spade ace You're painfully close, but it might as well be infinity.Both respond to clubs, W takes your spades play with A and returns ♦Q then a small club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 You're painfully close, but it might as well be infinity.Both respond to clubs, E takes spades with A and returns ♦Q then a small club. OK, I see now, you cash both clubs in the hope that either W has 2 clubs and a stiff ♠A or E can cash a club but has to give you a ruff and discard to take care of the diamond And no I don't go slamming, I'm actually not sure I bid 4♥ if I have opened, not going to go well opposite for example Kxxx and the two minor suit Qs, if partner can't act again not sure I want to be in this auction any further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pescetom Posted March 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 OK, I see now, you cash both clubs in the hope that either W has 2 clubs and a stiff ♠A or E can cash a club but has to give you a ruff and discard to take care of the diamond B-) And no I don't go slamming, I'm actually not sure I bid 4♥ if I have opened, not going to go well opposite for example Kxxx and the two minor suit Qs, if partner can't act again not sure I want to be in this auction any further.Two separate questions I think. As South in the circumstances I go slamming, as N who opened not certain which of my three options is best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pescetom Posted March 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 OK, I see now, you cash both clubs in the hope that either W has 2 clubs and a stiff ♠A or E can cash a club but has to give you a ruff and discard to take care of the diamond B-) And no I don't go slamming, I'm actually not sure I bid 4♥ if I have opened, not going to go well opposite for example Kxxx and the two minor suit Qs, if partner can't act again not sure I want to be in this auction any further.Two separate questions I think. As South in the circumstances I think it's reasonable to go slamming, as N who opened not sure which of the three options is best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 I suppose if N overbids twice S might go slamming, I'd suspect something like Qx, Jxxx, AQ, KQxxx as a minimum for this auction so far, a minimum ish weak NT just passes over 4♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akwoo Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 If I'm going to open this hand in a strong NT context, I want us to be playing 14-16 1N, not 15-17. (Sadly there are pairs out there whose explicit agreement is 15-17 but upgrade an awful lot of 14s.) 4♥ is a gross overbid. It's reasonable for S to go slamming at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pescetom Posted March 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 If I'm going to open this hand in a strong NT context, I want us to be playing 14-16 1N, not 15-17. (Sadly there are pairs out there whose explicit agreement is 15-17 but upgrade an awful lot of 14s.Not sure how this comment relates to the hand in question. I would open the South hand as 1NT with either agreement, would you not too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akwoo Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 Not sure how this comment relates to the hand in question. I would open the South hand as 1NT with either agreement, would you not too? I'm talking about North's hand. If I'm opening this kind of balanced hand on a regular basis, then my range on my 1N rebids is too wide if playing 15-17. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pescetom Posted March 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 Here's the full board, as played in a national simultaneous tournament. [hv=pc=n&s=sk643hakq7d87ca74&n=sqjt2hj932da9ckt8&w=sah85dkqjt5432c53&e=s9875ht64d6cqj962&d=n&v=e&b=9&a=1c(2%2B)p1h4d4hp4s(Control)p5c(Control%2C%20odd%20kc)p5hppp]400|300[/hv] The solution of course is to take the diamonds lead with Ace, pull three rounds of trumps, two rounds of clubs and then a spade to the stiff Ace: West takes a diamond trick but is then forced to continue in ruff and sluff. Alert readers will have noted that the North hand in OP was slightly different: I tweaked it to eliminate the red herring of possible stiff ♣QJ in West. At national level, almost a third of those who played in hearts made 11 tricks. I suspect that some stumbled into the solution more or less by accident, after playing off AK clubs and realising that a third was doomed: maybe some others were graced by West after playing spades prematurely. A surprising number made the top for NS of W 4♦x-2, although none in my club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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