Free Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 You're at a high level tournament, MP scoring. The bidding goes:pass - pass - 1♥ - ??? What do you bid with following hand? [hv=d=n&v=n&s=sakth7dqcaq987652]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] OOPS, forgot 3NT in the options :ph34r: Can a moderator add this plz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 2C. I expect more bidding, and I think a slow approach looks best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 2♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 Hum... 4♣ or 5♣, depending on how the wind blows, followed by double if opps bid over it. 3NT may well be the spot, but I can't see how to reach it sensibly, so I'll just take charge and take unilateral action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 I cannot see any bid other than 2C. You need pd to have CK and H stopper plus sth in Diamond to make 3N. If he has so much I am sure he will raise to 3C or do sth else. Forget any game and try to win a partscore at the moment. 2C is the best start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 Your hand is way too defensive to think that opps should have game if pard doesn't have much for you, so 5♣ is betting we have game pretty much. 2♣ seems obvious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerardo Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 2♣. Would bid 3♥ if ♣s were solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoob Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 X with my reg p2♣ otherwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 5clubsP is a passed hand and I expect them to have nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tysen2k Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 2♣ for me. 5♣ is a close second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 5♣. If you bid 2♣, do you really expect that the opps will go wrong, given that much bidding space? LHO rates to raise ♥. Are you going to be comfortable at your next turn if they reach 4♥? Can you ever expect partner to find the good save (or make) when his ♣ holding is Jx or Kx? No: it is nice to fantasize about reaching 3N (and pray they do not run the OTHER red suit), but in real life the game is about probabilities. Yes, on any given hand 5♣ could be wrong, but even when it is, the opps might still make a mistake. So 5♣ for me and if they bid over that, double to show unexpected outside strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 5♣ with any pd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 5C as well. I mean, gosh, I do have EIGHT of them. I do have a pretty good hand. If they bid 4H I will want to bid 5C. I don't want them to have an easy ride. It may not work, but I like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 I'd go with 2♣ here. Sure I will probably bid 5♣ over 4♥, and it would put more pressure on opponents to bid 5♣ now, but I'm not necessarily convinced the opponents are bidding four hearts. I have fifteen high after all, and there's no particular reason partner can't have a big stack of hearts (he may even double four hearts!). Every time I try 5♣ on a hand like this, partner turns up with something like: ♠ xxx♥ KQxx♦ Kxxxx♣ x Generally my 5♣ drifts two down (sometimes doubled, more often not) and the opponents didn't particularly have anything. I've never been very convinced of the merits of advance sacrifices on GOOD hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 5C for me.. make them guess 5H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 If I were the opponents, which would I rather bid over? 2C or 5C? Maximum pressure: 5C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifee Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 5C, 2C a close second. Never 3NT with no stopper in their suit. 3H might ask for pd to bid 3NT with a stopper in their suit, but would prefer discussing that before using it. Always uppermost in my mind.. no matter how perfectly descriptive your bid is, if partner will not understand it, its not worth a hoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 Ok, who voted for 6♣?! Come defend your viewpoint! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 2C. Had the opening been 1D I would certainly consider 5C. Over a 1H opening a 5C bid will not stop them bidding on when it is right and doubling you when it is not. Much harder over 1D! These spectacular jumps work far less well than believed. Incidentally fifee, (1H) 3H would be a stopper ask regardless of with whom I was playing, but it shows a solid suit. I may be old fashioned, but AQ to 8 does not look solid to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 Ok, who voted for 6♣?! Come defend your viewpoint! :ph34r: LOL. Yes I'm curious as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 It's possible that 4♣ followed by an action double on 4♥ is best. I would like to see a computer simulation so that I knew the probability of neither side having game. I voted 5♣ though. It's something to discuss with partner. Some partners don't like unilateral bidding. I wouldn't bid 2♣ since I wouldn't know what to do after 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 "I wouldn't know what to do after 4♥. " I will x 4H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 5clubsP is a passed hand and I expect them to have nothing.ITA Mike :angry: Had I been 2nd bidder I would have started with 2♣ though :ph34r: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badderzboy Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 Interested why Dbl is a poor option. Partner is still allowed to have 10pts or even 5 spades so we could have game easily in 3NT/4♠/5♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 X is not a poor option. X is absolutely appalling. Jeez man, you have 8 C, only 3S and 1D if partner should bid that suit, and you really want to X!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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