mikestar Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 Pass must be asking for a rescue. Responder shows at least game invitational values and the desire to go for blood. If the enemy have their bids, you cannot defeat 2♥ and may give up overtricks. If responder psyched the redouble, then (1) opener has a rock and you still can't beat 2♥, or (2) partner has a rock and will know that you can beat 2♥ and will pass also, or (3) both opener and partner have about 15-16, you should be fine regardless of what partner does. Pass should imply a lack of tolerance for spades as 2♠ takes up no bidding room, and uncertainty as to the best place to play. Here doubler could rebid 2NT asking "you pick the minor". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 Well the result is obviously teamwork.1) You should not pass after 1♦, if openers ♦ bid can be artificial, you can dbl without shortness there. I don't like 1♠ because it's just 4 cards, but it sure has advantages.2) If you had a 5 card suit, you could have bid it before. So partner should have a 3+-cards in the suit he suggests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 They're all oot of step 'cept our Jock! My regular pard and I have stopped making OBAR bids in live auctions like the given hand. You wouldn't dream of making this call at IMPS so why are you giving your opponents a fielders choice by competing in a live auction with a LHO that is unlimited? To us this is SOP for the expertarati but its bad bridge. BB (before Bergen) people didn't barge into auctions like this, even the term 'sandwich overcall' meant you had a hand. Better to let pard balance once responder lets the auction die. Our pard understands the importance of not letting opponents play 2 of a major and will balance with length in their suit. And if pard happens to have length and strength in their suit we will gladly defend 2H trying to defend better than the field and also gain against pairs that are over competing and going for 200. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpenz Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 we play a defense against short diamonds and prec diamondx= 1nt overcall1♥=wto1♠=natural1nt=single suited hand2♣=♣♥2♦2=♦♥2♥=♥ ♠2♠=♠♣ or ♠♦ if they we dont know what they have either do they so we will make them make the last guess! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 You wouldn't dream of making this call at IMPS so why are you giving your opponents a fielders choice by competing in a live auction with a LHO that is unlimited? If it is your hand it is not a fielders choice. And thinking that they will always make the right decision whether to X, bid on, or pass is silly. They make mistakes sometimes, and I firmly believe if you defend 2H on this deal you will come out a long run loser at MP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 I think this is a phantom discussion. From all I can see so far, opponents may be cold for 4♥, and 3♦ is at most 300. I still think that passing then doubling 2♥ is the best description of the hand. Overcalling 1♠ will also lead to penalties when partner raises to 3♠, not expecting 4-card overcalls. Doubling 1♦ -- sorry, what does this show? (I would agree on doubling with a 4432 or 4441 hand.) Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 1S is not my style, double seems normal. How one could ever end up in 2S is a mystery to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted July 2, 2005 Report Share Posted July 2, 2005 Ok I honestly misread the vul I thought we were vulnerable. Teaches me to read these posts on my handheld - in my car LOL. Double with this hand is sort of a freebie. Perhaps a better question is would folks take a call at different colors. Now THAT is a more engaging argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 The trouble with playing artificial defences to a short diamond is that far too often it'll be your hand, when you can make game (slam?) and it becomes much harder to work out the correct strain and level when you've made an overcall that could be based on just about anything. Vs a strong 1C, this isn't such a problem since you are very rarely going to make anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 Pass then double NV at Matchpoints just looks normal, though I wouldn't do it vul. 3D over the redouble looks normal on partner's hand if you play pass as to play (as I do). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 4, 2005 Report Share Posted July 4, 2005 Presumably, partner passed after LHO's redouble. Then you bid 2♠ which partner took as a 5-card, so he passed. So even if it turned out badly in this particular case, it was hardly caused by your double. Besides, there's no alternative. You can't overcall 1♠ with such a bad suit. You can't double immediately with a singleton hearts. And you can't pass in next round since you have the hearts shortness. So it's your responsibility to ballance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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