jillybean Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 These 20 points hands are causing us probelms problems today. (#28) The system; (opening bids) 5 card Majors, 1♣ 3+2♣ 23+2♦ Multi 20-22 balanced or weak 6 card Major2NT 5-5 minors1nt 12-14 [hv=pc=n&n=sakj543hkdaj9ca62&d=n&v=e&b=9&a=?]133|200[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBengtsson Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 I am always opening this 1♠ even though the bid might not get us the best result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akwoo Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 LTC is a little harsh on this hand, but this is a 6 loser hand! 1S without question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted February 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 [hv=pc=n&n=sakj543hkdaj9ca62&d=n&v=e&b=9&a=1sp1nt(2/1 forcing)p?]133|200[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo1201 Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 This issue is system dependent and you need to agree on what to do with those hands. Systems with 2 strong openings (2C and 2D for GF « 24+ » vs almost GF « 22-23 bal or strong 2 »), plus the natural 2NT (20-21) are less used nowadays because they lack aggressity (you can’t play multi or 2-suited 2M’s for instance). The solutions I know are: - to play strong 2 majors (2S like this hand) and add strong 2 minors in the multi but again you don’t open aggressively enough for modern taste - to open 1S and agree with partner that with hands that make game over a strong 2 but too weak to respond otherwise, they should respond nevertheless (and you need to manufacture a 3m rebid on this one followed by 3S if you have space to do so) - to have a 2-way 2C opening, either GF or strong in M (8 -8.5 tricks), with 2D establishing a GF, and 2M being if you have a strong 2, I want to stop there (plus other refinements in the follow-ups or the consequences) There might be other methods but you have to pick something otherwise you risk being the only pair in 1S+3 or 4S-1 with this kind of hands depending on what lie you choose with the openings your system allows and what partner has. Those methods have some drawbacks on the precision of slam sequences but allow more preemptive openings at the 2 level. One can’t have it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 1S, followed by 3C As far as I see, that is the system bid, unless a 2S is strong,but given that you play 2NT as weak 55 in the minors, my take is2H / 2S are 2-suiters.The single kind has a value, unclear how much. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smerriman Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 1♠, then 3♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mw64ahw Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 1♠ 11-21ish then according to system. I'd steer clear of 2♣ as the singleton K♥ weakens the openinga) 3♠ as I originally learntb) later 2♣-2X-3/4♠ or 3NT over 2♥c] my preference now 2NT to show 6(331) or 6x(4x) with 3♣ asking.Alternatively, bid 4♠ and hope3♣ is also be worthwhile if partner is cautious over the length. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 1♠, then 3♣.Completely normal for most of my bridge life. Now Gazzilli has been invented to solve some of the problems and create others.The strong club crowd just smile, which probably means that they've never faced 1♣-(1♠)-2♥ :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 1♠ no second choice playing what you play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenikki Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 1S, followed by 3C As far as I see, that is the system bid, unless a 2S is strong,but given that you play 2NT as weak 55 in the minors, my take is2H / 2S are 2-suiters.The single kind has a value, unclear how much. With kind regardsMarloweOpener's fake, but not conventional, jumpshift is the worst bid in bridge. Simple expedient: Switch the meanings of 1M - 1NT - 3M and 1M - 1NT - 3♣ . The jump rebid is forcing, promising secondary clubs. The jumpshift is forcing for one round only, promising a one-suiter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 Jeff’s magic elixir comes to the rescue 1S 1N 3C is artificial. It has three potential meanings Spades and clubs, gf Spades and precisely four hearts, gf Monster one suited just under opening 2C One benefit is that 1S 1N 3H is 5-5 or better, reducing the need for the fake preference to spades when responder is 2=3 majors, unable to bid 3N After the 3C bid, responder usually bids 3D to ask…now opener bids 3H shows 4 hearts 3S monster one suiter 3N confirms clubs but is willing to play 3N 4C monster two suiter Jeff is Jeff Rubens who wrote an article about this in the Bridge World a long time ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidKok Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 If you're going to introduce artificiality on 1♠-1NT I'm not sure I would start with the elixir ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted February 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 With no magic elixir, [hv=pc=n&s=s8haqt983d763cj83&w=sq72h5dq4ckqt9754&n=sakj543hkdaj9ca62&e=st96hj7642dkt852c&d=n&v=e&b=9&a=1sp1n(f)p3sppp]399|300[/hv] No spade game but we missed our ♥ game. Perhaps West had some clubs in with his spades? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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