AL78 Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 MPs Acol weak NT vuln against not: ♠QJ93♥AQ62♦-♣AJT62 After two passes RHO opens 1♠. What do you call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 MPs Acol weak NT vuln against not: ♠QJ93♥AQ62♦-♣AJT62 After two passes RHO opens 1♠. What do you call?Pass 2C is just too dangerous on 5 mediocre. Double is insane. 1N is worse…although double is so bad that 1N is not much worse If I had to channel the late nige1 Pass 1002C. 20Double 11N. 0 There is no Law in bridge that says that one isn’t allowed to pass with opening values. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBengtsson Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 Pass was my first thought before I saw the vulnerability, PASS is my second thought. The hands look possibly a misfit, and if they are I prefer the opps. to play in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 Shoot me, I can't let this pass. I'm considering X or 2♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akwoo Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 I agree 2C is dangerous, but it's MPs(*), and LHO has passed, so I'm willing to risk it since I do want that lead if LHO bids 2D as is fairly likely. (*) At this vulnerability, 2C isn't really safer at MPs than IMPs, but lead direction is more likely to gain because denying the overtrick matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 There is a reason, why some play the polish NT. I guess, I would go with 2C, but I am still young, and may learn Pass is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL78 Posted February 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 I passed, the auction proceeds: [hv=pc=n&n=sqj93haq62dcajt62&d=e&v=n&b=2&a=pp1sp1np2d]133|200[/hv] 1NT is 6-9HCP. Now what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mw64ahw Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 Shoot me, I can't let this pass. I'm considering X or 2♥I play 2♥ as both Majors; usually 45, but OK with 44 on this hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidKok Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 Pass first round, double the second. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMorris Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 Pass first round, double the second. Indeed so. Argueably this is what you were hoping for when you passed first time, although an initial pass seems automatic. You have now described your hand to partner as well as you are able. Opening values, short diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL78 Posted February 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 For reasons I can't think of now (possibly fearing walking into a misfit deal) I failed to double the second time and got punished for it: [hv=pc=n&s=sa5hkj75dt743ck53&w=skt872ht3daj865c7&n=sqj93haq62dcajt62&e=s64h984dkq92cq984&d=e&v=n&b=2&a=pp1sp1np2dppp]399|300[/hv] Getting that down undoubled is pathetic compared to the cold 4♥ our way. As long as I get actions against me that aren't repeated across the field I need to focus more, otherwise I am going to get pushed around in the auction forever. FAIL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mw64ahw Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 I play 2♥ as both Majors; usually 45, but OK with 44 on this handScreen too small can't tell the difference between ♣s and ♠s I double on this one (usually 15+); partner should then bid ♥ with 8+ and thence onwards to 4/6♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMorris Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 Screen too small can't tell the difference between ♣s and ♠s I double on this one (usually 15+); partner should then bid ♥ with 8+ and thence onwards to 4/6♥ & if partner were to bid diamonds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mw64ahw Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 & if partner were to bid diamonds?Partner tends to bid 1NT with 0-7<6♦ so I can Pass or revert to 2NT after a ♦ transfer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL78 Posted February 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 Partner tends to bid 1NT with 0-7<6♦ so I can Pass or revert to 2NT after a ♦ transfer What do they do with 0-7, 3343 or 2353 and no spade stop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mw64ahw Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 What do they do with 0-7, 3343 or 2353 and no spade stop?Still 1NT as this is the Herbert Negative after a Power X over 1♠If opposition have the points to X 1NT then XX says I have ♥ otherwise scramble for a minor; if they have a ♠ fit then it will tend to be bid, if no ♠ fit then they're unlikely to make 5/6 tricks in ♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akwoo Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 For reasons I can't think of now (possibly fearing walking into a misfit deal) I failed to double the second time and got punished for it: [hv=pc=n&s=sa5hkj75dt743ck53&w=skt872ht3daj865c7&n=sqj93haq62dcajt62&e=s64h984dkq92cq984&d=e&v=n&b=2&a=pp1sp1np2dppp]399|300[/hv] Getting that down undoubled is pathetic compared to the cold 4♥ our way. As long as I get actions against me that aren't repeated across the field I need to focus more, otherwise I am going to get pushed around in the auction forever. FAIL You don't get all the blame here - as a passed hand, your partner should have doubled 1N. It's borderline as an unpassed hand, but clear for a passed hand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 You don't get all the blame here - as a passed hand, your partner should have doubled 1N. It's borderline as an unpassed hand, but clear for a passed hand. That's a very good way to generate a telephone number at this vul when LHO has a big hand and redoubles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL78 Posted February 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 You don't get all the blame here - as a passed hand, your partner should have doubled 1N. It's borderline as an unpassed hand, but clear for a passed hand. My partner is inexperienced and isn't going to find many actions like that in the passoout seat especially if they are aggressive actions. I was asking myself when I posted this why didn't I double on the second round. Maybe getting up early in the morning and doing a full days work shortly before a three hour bridge session addled my brain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 That's a very good way to generate a telephone number at this vul when LHO has a big hand and redoublesThis is especially true when holding two spades. While sometimes opener has extra length and/or if the opps are playing 4 card majors, they do have a good fit, most of the time it’s your partner sitting with many of the spades not held by opener. Would anyone be surprised to find partner with a 4333 weak hand? Even if one scrambles to one’s best spot, and escapes the axe, -200 won’t score very well If nobody were vulnerable, it might be worth taking a chance but red v white makes doubling extremely risky. Note that the risk of going for a big number is only part of the problem. You just may have no fit, and no place to play, even if 1N were about to be passed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 This is especially true when holding two spades. While sometimes opener has extra length and/or if the opps are playing 4 card majors, they do have a good fit, most of the time it’s your partner sitting with many of the spades not held by opener. Would anyone be surprised to find partner with a 4333 weak hand? Even if one scrambles to one’s best spot, and escapes the axe, -200 won’t score very well If nobody were vulnerable, it might be worth taking a chance but red v white makes doubling extremely risky. Note that the risk of going for a big number is only part of the problem. You just may have no fit, and no place to play, even if 1N were about to be passed out. The problem here is that if opener only has 4 spades, he has 15+ and this might not be unlikely, so you're outgunned with no guarantee of a fit. Also at that vul, opps are more likely to pull the trigger and go for the 200. They might get a lot more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepossum Posted February 4, 2023 Report Share Posted February 4, 2023 Without reading the thread and spoilers I reckon I would bid 2C Now to read the thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nullve Posted February 4, 2023 Report Share Posted February 4, 2023 Maybe you were lucky West didn't pass 1N: [hv=pc=n&s=sa5hkj75dt743ck53&w=skt872ht3daj865c7&n=sqj93haq62dcajt62&e=s64h984dkq92cq984&d=e&v=n&b=2&a=pp1sp1npp?]399|300[/hv]How should the auction have proceeded in that case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL78 Posted February 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2023 Maybe you were lucky West didn't pass 1N: [hv=pc=n&s=sa5hkj75dt743ck53&w=skt872ht3daj865c7&n=sqj93haq62dcajt62&e=s64h984dkq92cq984&d=e&v=n&b=2&a=pp1sp1npp?]399|300[/hv]How should the auction have proceeded in that case? That is a worse situation, I have the same risk of partner bidding diamonds if I double as I did the first time so I guess I have to pass again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dokoko Posted February 4, 2023 Report Share Posted February 4, 2023 Maybe you were lucky West didn't pass 1N: [hv=pc=n&s=sa5hkj75dt743ck53&w=skt872ht3daj865c7&n=sqj93haq62dcajt62&e=s64h984dkq92cq984&d=e&v=n&b=2&a=pp1sp1npp?]399|300[/hv]How should the auction have proceeded in that case? That's why I would double in the South seat. Being a passed hand, partner will not play me for more. I agree double is risky, but pass is risky, too. In my world the hand short in opp's suit should act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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