Frank_lol_ Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 Hand Editor doesn't load, so I'll do it in the ugly way:P P 1S ?IMPs, both vul5 AQT85 A942 AQ9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mw64ahw Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 [hv=pc=n&n=s5haqt85da942caq9&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=pp1sX(Power)]133|200[/hv]Neither because I play a Power X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_lol_ Posted January 21, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 [hv=pc=n&n=s5haqt85da942caq9&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=pp1sX(Power)]133|200[/hv]Neither because I play a Power XA power double is also a part of takeout double afaik.But yeah, I meant takeout as in short spade and good support for the other suits.I would power X with a jack more, but not realy with this, although this is definitely the maximum of a overcall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smerriman Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 According to Mike Lawrence, don't double with a 5 card major unless you're strong enough to bid it next time around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 According to Mike Lawrence, don't double with a 5 card major unless you're strong enough to bid it next time around. Or it's so bad you want to treat it as 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akwoo Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 Maybe I'm crazy, but vul at IMPs I'm willing to double and bid 3H if it goes (1S)-X-(2S)-P-(P) back to me. At MPs, I'm a little more scared of the -200 and less interested in hoping for +620 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 Maybe I'm crazy, but vul at IMPs I'm willing to double and bid 3H if it goes (1S)-X-(2S)-P-(P) back to me. At MPs, I'm a little more scared of the -200 and less interested in hoping for +620 We have a higher minimum than most for 2♥ and respond fairly liberally, if we're making 4♥ partner will bid, the danger is the game we're making is 5m. My question would be "Are you happier with the auction going 1♠-2♥-2♠-P-P-X or 1♠-X-2♠-P-P-3♥ ?" If you're making game in a minor either should suffice but if partner has say a 4144 3 count I think I'd prefer the former unless you expect him to bid over 2♠ after your double with that. Also if he has a good 4 card spade holding, pass could be a big winner after the bid then double auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pescetom Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 It's very close, but I'm slightly in favour of double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mw64ahw Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 A power double is also a part of takeout double afaik.Not if you play a NT takeout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 It’s not close for me. This is an easy 2H and not even a maximum. I’m a believer in my fellow-countryman’s belief in very wide range overcalls (Kokish) For me, double then hearts is at least a trick stronger…make it x AQJxxx Axx AQx and I double then hearts As it is, I’m very happy to bid 2H. If it goes, for example, 2S P P to me, a trivial reopening double. Btw, in both my partnerships we have transfer advances such that if LHO cooperates by passing or doubling, partner can bid 3D with a good raise to 3H and 3H with a weaker. Over the former, I bid game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfi Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 I really dislike 5-card overcalls at the two-level, but I'll still do it on this hand. We're too likely to lose a heart fit if I start with double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepossum Posted January 22, 2023 Report Share Posted January 22, 2023 2S perhaps - a bit offshape :) - appreciate a bit risky if we don't have hearts or diamonds - but if partner has clubs they would bid that :)- probably 2H so as not to upset people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBengtsson Posted January 22, 2023 Report Share Posted January 22, 2023 I actually think this is a great hand to post as it is between strong and weak, at equal red vulnerability, partner has already passed, there is the likely situation as the opps. have bid ♠ that they would outbid you, and table position, etc. A couple of commentators have indicated what happens when the opps. raise to 2♠, but I am more worried what happens if they bid 3♠ as a weak call over a TOX. That said, a TOX should show, but does not necessarily infer, tolerance for three suits here, whereas an overcall of 2♥ is likely to lose the other suits in the bidding. Partner could well be holding a reasonable 6m suit in his hand but due to the vulnerability could not open. I agree with pescetom that it is close, and on the day either bid might be the right one. I am not even going to vote! The state of the match at IMPs or how our partnership were doing in a MP event might be a deciding factor. If I were to spin a coin, I prefer very slightly 2♥ as there is less chance the opps. will bounce you with a 3♠ bid. I am actually more worried what I would lead if the opps. land in a ♠ contract with this hand :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo1201 Posted January 22, 2023 Report Share Posted January 22, 2023 Overcalls at the 2-level with 5-cd suits are more common with H (find fit to potentially play game at the 4 level and use ruffing power to take tricks than with minors (the game in minors is 9 tricks as you all know😁😁and you need a long suit to develop them). The quality of the suit is well enough to be bid. As MikeH says (as always), I’ll describe my hand much better with bidding H and X than the reverse which would overstate my strength. I’ll X with x Axxxx AQx AQxx but that is not what I have today so 2H for me. Which doesn’t mean I’m not signing in for 8 or 1100 when partner is broke and KJ97x are sitting over me (these things happen) - if that was what triggered the question! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mw64ahw Posted January 22, 2023 Report Share Posted January 22, 2023 My preference for playing a Power X and NT takeout is specifically a hand like this where with a 1NT bid you would be expected to have a ♠ stopper to be able to show this strength.Partner with the ♠ stopper/length can then bid 1NT/2NT/3NT with the requisite strength or have a better idea of what other contract and level works.Playing a standard approach leaves a wider strength range. In this case it is a takeout shape and I double as this provides the highest probability of finding and eight card fit from the off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycroft Posted January 25, 2023 Report Share Posted January 25, 2023 Playing standard? 2♥. I have nothing to add to MikeH's explanation or Cyberyeti's "what would you prefer..." line. Playing Power doubles? 2♥. While I have no qualms making a takeout NT bid with a 5 card major, I'm not going to do it with this strong a hand/suit. And I'm not anywhere near strong enough to double when partner's going to pass with J9xx and a card - they're making overtricks unless both kings are in the pocket. Yes, double starts at 15+, but "with a minimum, partner's going to have at least ♠xx." But nobody but us two and Jeff Goldsmith's partners play Power Doubles, so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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