Acol Daylong - Feedback thread

[smerriman]

Argine plays 2NT - 3♣ - 3NT as showing both 4 card majors (with 3♥ denying 4 spades and vice versa). While maybe playable, I don't think this is anything to do with Acol.

 

It's also funny how Blackwood is described as Blackwood "in a suit", given it's not keycard - and you can follow up with a queen ask, despite not being able to find out about the trump king!

 

I suspect both of these, and the broken 1♣ - 1♦ sequence, come from the way the FunBridge Argine lets you stitch together all sorts of conventions, rather than being purpose built for a specific system.

[pilowsky]

I think it's only available to English speaking countries, not US or Italy B-)

Something like UK, Eire, Australia/NZ and Canada as I recall.

 

Yes - using Opera and changing to 'Americas' it doesn't appear - which I suppose means...

[diana_eva]

Two more Acol games are available as of this month:

 

A pay Acol Daylong, open to all, which appears in Competitive -> All tournaments and in Competitive - Daylongs. It's 8 boards, matchpoints not-best-hand, awards BBO points, and costs 0.42 BB$ to enter.

 

A new solitaire game in the Solitaire area in BBO, called Just Play Bridge Acol.

 

The Free Acol Daylong and the free Just Play Bridge Acol use a "lighter" version of argine, what we could call the equivalent of basic robots.

 

The pay Acol Daylong uses the "full" Argine, the advanced robots.

[helene_t]

Argine plays 2NT - 3♣ - 3NT as showing both 4 card majors (with 3♥ denying 4 spades and vice versa). While maybe playable, I don't think this is anything to do with Acol.

Indeed, it's because Argine's native language is SEF. There are a few leftovers from SEF in Argine Acol.

For example

1x-2y

2x

is forcing which is an unusual treatment in Acol.

[smerriman]

The Free Acol Daylong and the free Just Play Bridge Acol use a "lighter" version of argine, what we could call the equivalent of basic robots.

 

The pay Acol Daylong uses the "full" Argine, the advanced robots.

Was the version we've been playing with during the initial trial, prior to these official announcements, the light or full one?

 

Are there any extra details of the difference? With GIB it's disabling sims during bidding, disabling GIBson, and reducing the number of sims; I would suspect Argine doesn't have the capability to disable the first two, so maybe it's just the last? But if it was the first, that would impact what bugs to report (since some wrong bids with free GIB aren't true bugs).

 

Will there be version numbers of Argine / a changelog like there was for GIB? Or any sense of progress as to previously reported bugs this time around?

 

Any updates on your plans for GIB too? (OK, I'm pushing my luck now, lol. I did have a dream a couple of nights ago that I met Uday about the robots..)

[pescetom]

Two more Acol games are available as of this month:

 

A pay Acol Daylong, open to all, which appears in Competitive -> All tournaments and in Competitive - Daylongs. It's 8 boards, matchpoints not-best-hand, awards BBO points, and costs 0.42 BB$ to enter.

 

A new solitaire game in the Solitaire area in BBO, called Just Play Bridge Acol.

 

The Free Acol Daylong and the free Just Play Bridge Acol use a "lighter" version of argine, what we could call the equivalent of basic robots.

 

The pay Acol Daylong uses the "full" Argine, the advanced robots.

 

And they work in Italy, presumably also US :)

[pescetom]

Was the version we've been playing with during the initial trial, prior to these official announcements, the light or full one?

 

Are there any extra details of the difference? With GIB it's disabling sims during bidding, disabling GIBson, and reducing the number of sims; I would suspect Argine doesn't have the capability to disable the first two, so maybe it's just the last? But if it was the first, that would impact what bugs to report (since some wrong bids with free GIB aren't true bugs).

 

Will there be version numbers of Argine / a changelog like there was for GIB? Or any sense of progress as to previously reported bugs this time around?

 

Any updates on your plans for GIB too? (OK, I'm pushing my luck now, lol. I did have a dream a couple of nights ago that I met Uday about the robots..)

 

Will you also please lable the robots with their name and level ("Argine+", "Argine-", "GiB+", "GiB-") ?

This would reassure people that they are getting what they pay for and help in identifying and understanding limitations.

[thepossum]

Its interesting that both GiB and Argine have the same tendency to take a game force to mean slam is on without checking controls

Since when under any system does 2C followed by a an exchange of information and a game bid an invitation to jump to any slam

What I am talking about is no extra forcing. no extra encouragement. Just a natural progression to game. What do you have to do to discourage the immediate slam bid?

Just in case you all wonder the game bid said "to play"

A bid to game does not usually promise extras does it. Must be a different approach. Different meaning of "to play" perhaps

I accept the immediate slam bid also said to play but occasionally you need to try to escape to a less damaging slam so the play gets out of control very rapidly

I understand there are a few cases where jump to slam after game is appropriate but not regularly

Maybe its my interpretation of game force that is wrong :(

 

EDIT Maybe part of the problem is that a natural progression to game and a "to play" game bid magically gives you at least an extra Ace or two, which is brutally sad when you don't have them. Two keycards missing and a useful void in (the jumped to) trumps :)

[smerriman]

I guess the plan is to go the way of GIB and keep everything secret :(

 

Three more bugs, if they're still worth reporting:

 

[hv=https://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?bbo=y&lin=st%7C%7Cmd%7C3SKT8532HDKJ4CAQ93%2CSAHAJT964DT965CK4%2CSJ64H753DQ72CT852%2CSQ97HKQ82DA83CJ76%7Csv%7CN%7Cah%7CBoard%205%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C1N%7Can%7C2%2B%21C%3B%202%2B%21D%3B%202%2B%21H%3B%202%2B%21S%3B%20HCP%2012-14%3B%20balanced%7Cmb%7C2S%7Can%7C5%2B%21S%3B%20HCP%2010-18%3B%20natural%7Cmb%7C3H%7Can%7C5%2B%21H%3B%20HCP%2011%2B%3B%20natural%20-%20Forcing%7Cmb%7CP%7Can%7CHCP%209-%3B%20weak%20hand%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7CP%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CS5%7C]400|300[/hv]

Yet another forcing non-forcing situation, with the robots missing a simple game.

 

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OK, so North's double is just 11+ points, and not 'takeout', so maybe I should have passed the double? But Argine went bonkers after that, probably trying to sign off in no trump three times.

 

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And yet another 1♣ - 1♦ problem, with Argine showing 13+ HCP when holding only 8. Luckily, it then decided to let me make slam when it was never on.

 

Also, still experiencing the claiming issue I mentioned [not in this thread] early on, having claims rejected when I have all top tricks remaining.

[smerriman]

And then today's tournament, partner opens 1♥ and I have a 19 count. The bidding goes like this:

 

[hv=https://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?d=w&d=n&a=1H(4+!H;%20HCP%2011-20;%20natural)p1s(4+!S;%20HCP%204+;%20natural%20-%20Forcing)p2C(4-6!C;%205+!H;%20HCP%2011-19;%20at%20least%204!C)P2D!(4+!S;%20HCP%2011+;%204th%20suit%20forcing%20-%20Forcing)P3D(4-5!C;%203-4!D;%205-6!H;%20HCP%2014-19;%20natural%20or%20asks%20for%20stopper%20in%20!D%20-%20Forcing)P3H(3!H;%204-5!S;%20HCP%2011+;%20fit%20in%20!H%20-%20Forcing)ppp]350|100[/hv]

Thanks, Argine.

 

If the catch-phrase for GIB is 'every double is for takeout', I think Argine's is "every forcing bid is passable".

 

Full hand.

[diana_eva]

The Argine team is aware of this thread, and we routinely send other feedback and bug reports their way. However, I don't think they'll come post here on what is being done.

[pilowsky]

There are some rather unusual explanations in the bidding.

After opening 1H and West passing North bid 1S described as forcing.

East passed and when I hovered over 'pass' an explanation appeared saying 'that bid is not allowed'!

I passed and West bid 2D.

Obviously annoyed by my refusal to cooperate, North bid 3S - 'natural'.

 

On the next hand North opened 1NT - 12-14 balanced.

I hovered over 4C and then over 4D - both bids apparently have the same meaning - two-suited in H and S.

Is this another quirk of Acol bidding I'm unaware of?

[helene_t]

(1!s)-p-(p)-x

(p)-2♣-(p)-2NT

was explained as 14-16, sounds a bit low to me. Maybe 15-18 is standard, although I would personally prefer a tad sounder.

[smerriman]

There are some rather unusual explanations in the bidding.

After opening 1H and West passing North bid 1S described as forcing.

East passed and when I hovered over 'pass' an explanation appeared saying 'that bid is not allowed'!

I passed and West bid 2D.

Obviously annoyed by my refusal to cooperate, North bid 3S - 'natural'.

What is unusual about this?

 

On the next hand North opened 1NT - 12-14 balanced.

I hovered over 4C and then over 4D - both bids apparently have the same meaning - two-suited in H and S.

Is this another quirk of Acol bidding I'm unaware of?

Yeah, I discovered this the hard way a few weeks ago after finding out that 1N - 2♥ - 2♠ - 3♥ showed slam interest, and you had to start with 4♣ / 4♦ to just show game values. They're not the same definition; one shows 5-6 hearts with 5 spades and one 5-6 spades with 5 hearts. But I have no idea what the convention is.

[pilowsky]

What is unusual about this?

 

 

The 'unusual' thing about it is the wording.

Telling me that a bid is 'not allowed' is bizarre.

 

What next? "That bid is utterly ridiculous" or "That bid will farnarkle the whole game don't be silly."

As I understand it bid descriptors are meant to describe what your partner will think about your hand - 'not allowed' - doesn't do that.

[smerriman]

Seems perfect to me. The definition of 'forcing' is 'partner is not allowed to pass your bid'. I think they should have *more* of that description, since there's no better way of describing what a pass of a 100% forcing bid should mean.

[pescetom]

As I understand it bid descriptors are meant to describe what your partner will think about your hand - 'not allowed' - doesn't do that.[/size]

Bid descriptors describe your systemic agreement.

"Excluded by system" might be more diplomatic than "not allowed".

[pilowsky]

Whoever is responsible for this 100% brilliancy deserves a medal:

 

[hv=https://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?bbo=y&lin=pn%7CSouth%2CRobot%2CRobot%2CRobot%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C4SAT6HKQ72DJ6CJ432%2CSHT98DKQT853CKT96%2CSQJ85432HAJD72CQ7%2CSK97H6543DA94CA85%7Csv%7CE%7Cah%7CBoard%206%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C1C%7Can%7C4%2B%21C%3B%20HCP%2011-23%3B%20natural%7Cmb%7C2D%7Can%7C1%2B%21C%3B%206%21D%3B%20HCP%205-11%3B%20weak%20hand%7Cmb%7CD%21%7Can%7CHCP%208%2B%3B%20take-out%20-%20Non%20forcing%7Cmb%7CP%7Can%7CHCP%208-%3B%20weak%20hand%7Cmb%7C2H%7Can%7C4%2B%21C%3B%204-5%21H%3B%20HCP%2011-15%3B%20natural%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C3S%7Can%7C6%2B%21S%3B%20HCP%208-10%3B%20natural%20and%20non-forcing%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C4H%7Can%7C4%2B%21C%3B%205%21H%3B%20HCP%2011-15%3B%20natural%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C4N%21%7Can%7C6%2B%21S%3B%20HCP%208-10%3B%20Blackwood%20in%20%21S%2C%20asks%20how%20many%20Aces%20-%20Forcing%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C5S%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C5N%21%7Can%7C6%2B%21S%3B%20HCP%208-10%3B%20Blackwood%2C%20asks%20how%20many%20Kings%20-%20Forcing%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C6S%21%7Can%7C4%2B%21C%3B%205%21H%3B%20HCP%2011-15%3B%203%20King%28s%29%20-%20Non%20forcing%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C6N%7Can%7C6%2B%21S%3B%20HCP%2010%3B%20to%20play%7Cmb%7CD%7Can%7CHCP%208-%3B%20penalty%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7CP%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CDA%7C]400|300[/hv]

[pescetom]

There is so much wrong here that it would be simpler to just list what makes any sense :(

[smerriman]

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Completely nonsensical play on trick 1 gifts me the contract.

[pilowsky]

[hv=https://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=st||pn|smerriman,~Mwest,~Mnorth,~Meast|md|4SAQT52HT6DKT4CKJ2,SK74H4DAJ98752C94,SJ986HKJ82DQCAT75,S3HAQ9753D63CQ863|sv|n|rh||ah|Board%202|mb|2H|an|6-7!H;%20HCP%204-10;%20weak%20hand|mb|2S|an|5+!S;%20HCP%2011-18;%20natural|mb|P|mb|4S|an|3+!S;%20HCP%205-15;%20fit|mb|P|mb|P|mb|P|pc|H4|pc|H2|pc|H7|pc|HT|pc|D4|pc|DA|pc|DQ|pc|D6|pc|C9|pc|C5|pc|C6|pc|CJ|pc|DT|pc|DJ|pc|S8|pc|D3|pc|SJ|pc|S3|pc|S2|pc|SK|pc|C4|pc|C7|pc|C8|pc|CK|pc|SA|pc|S4|pc|S6|pc|H3|pc|SQ|pc|S7|pc|S9|pc|H5|pc|ST|pc|D2|pc|H8|pc|H9|pc|DK|pc|D5|pc|HJ|pc|C3|mc|11|]400|300[/hv]

Completely nonsensical play on trick 1 gifts me the contract.

 

Which is exactly the same as the play in the bananas example above where East leads SA and another spade to dummies Q and West with the K cunningly avoids the opportunity to defeat the contract.

Perhaps Argine is just being polite?.

[helene_t]

1♠-2♣

2♥*

and similar rebids are explained as 4+ spades and 4-6 hearts. This should show 5+ spades. There might be an exception for

1red-1black

2minor

which can be a 4441 shape in some styles. But you never open 1♠ with a 4441 shape.

By the way,

1♠-2♣

2♥-2♠

3♦*

is explained as 11-12 points so apparently nonforcing. Whether this is FSF or paterning out, I believe it should be forcing or at least encouraging. Probably F1 after a 2-level response and encouraging after a 1-level response.

[helene_t]

1♠-2♣

2♥*

and similar rebids are explained as 4+ spades and 4-6 hearts. This should show 5+ spades. There might be an exception for

1red-1/2black

2minor

which can be a 4441 shape in some styles. But you never open 1♠ with a 4441 shape.

By the way,

1♠-2♣

2♥-2♠

3♦*

is explained as 11-12 points so apparently nonforcing. Whether this is FSF or paterning out, I believe it should be forcing or at least encouraging. Probably F1 after a 2-level response and encouraging after a 1-level response. (Of course if it is FSF it is forcing. Playing it as FSF may seem weird to non-Brits but is quite common in UK).

[smerriman]

I guess if it's too late for 4NT, you can still use 5NT to ask for aces.

 

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One person managed to get them all the way to grand, though didn't score as well. This time, Argine forgot that introducing a suit the opponents have bid and raised isn't natural. And 4NT wasn't Blackwood, but 5NT was suddenly asking for kings. And how exactly is 4♣ asking for a stopper in hearts?! For anyone who thought that GIB was bad, Argine is on another level.

 

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[helene_t]

2♣-2♦

3♦-3NT

4♦-pass

Not only did it pass a GF bid, it even held a huge hand itself, with AJxx of hearts, xxx of diamonds and a doubleton clubs. So it shouldn't be a surprise that 7♦ was cold.

 

Something else: Argine often rejects obvious claims, I have sent a few reports.