Acol Daylong - Feedback thread

[helene_t]

1♦-(p)-1♥-(2♠)

?

Here is seems that almost everything I can bid either doesn't show extras, or shows a heart fit. For example, 3♣ is a minimum and 4♣ is a splinter.

I punted 5♦ on my mediocre diamonds for lack of a better alternative. The fact that I scores 83% for 5♦= while there were 10 top tricks in NT, shows that other had the same problem.

[thepossum]

I am confused by 5 spades to play - what's the point - 5 spades go to slam if you can do better makes sense

 

 

[hv=https://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=st||pn|Human,~Mwest,~Mnorth,~Meast|md|4SAKJ7HQJ86D2CAQ74,ST6HAT9D8643CJ532,S9843HK543DAK7C96,SQ52H72DQJT95CKT8|sv|n|rh||ah|Board%202|mb|P|mb|1S|an|4+!S;%20HCP%2011-20;%20natural|mb|P|mb|3S|an|4!S;%20HCP%208-11;%20fit%20and%20invitational%20hand|mb|P|mb|4C!|an|4+!S;%20HCP%2016-20;%20control%20in%20!C%20-%20Forcing|mb|P|mb|4D!|an|4!S;%20HCP%208-11;%20control%20in%20!D%20-%20Forcing|mb|P|mb|4S!|an|4+!S;%20HCP%2016-20;%20Either%20minimum,%20or%20no%20control%20in%20the%20jump%20shift%20suit%20-%20Non%20forcing|mb|P|mb|5S|an|4!S;%20HCP%208-11;%20to%20play|mb|P|mb|P|mb|P|pc|HA|pc|H3|pc|H2|pc|H6|pc|HT|pc|H4|pc|H7|pc|HJ|pc|SA|pc|S6|pc|S3|pc|S2|pc|D2|pc|D4|pc|DK|pc|D5|pc|S9|pc|S5|pc|SJ|pc|ST|pc|SK|pc|D3|pc|S4|pc|SQ|pc|H8|pc|H9|pc|HK|pc|D9|pc|C6|pc|C8|pc|CQ|pc|C3|pc|CA|pc|C2|pc|C9|pc|CT|mc|12|]400|300[/hv]

[pilowsky]

Here's a hypothetical.

You're playing in a game when the bidding goes:

[hv=d=n&v=e&b=9&a=1sp4c(splinter)p5s(4%2B!S%3B%20HCP%2011-20%3B%20hope%20of%20slam)p]300|100[/hv]

 

What does "Hope of slam" mean?

[thepossum]

That's a different situation

It's an unnecessary raise to 5 no extra information regarding slam prospects

What's even more annoying is that were good slam prospects

We've explored a few vague controls and there is something called Blackwood at the 4 level

 

At least hope of slam is information but rather strange too. It isn't pointless though

I do appreciate that an unnecessary jump saying I didn't need to do this and don't recommend slam is a form of information too

[manudude03]

It looks like the bots still think they play standard blackwood. Either that or they just can't count.

 

[hv=https://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=st||pn|~~v3fakebot,~~v3fakebot,manudude03,~~v3fakebot|md|1SQ964HA3DAKQT92C2,SHKT875DJ87CQT874,SAKJ753HQJD654CK3,ST82H9642D3CAJ965|sv|b|rh||ah|Board%207|mb|1D|an|4+!D;%20HCP%2011-23;%204-card%20!D%20opener|mb|P|mb|1S|an|4+!S;%20HCP%204+;%20natural%20-%20Forcing|mb|P|mb|4S|an|2!C;%205!D;%202!H;%204!S;%20HCP%2018-20;%20two-suiter%20with%20!D/!S|mb|P|mb|4N!|an|4+!S;%20HCP%2012+;%20RKCB%20in%20!S%20(!S%20King%20is%20a%20keycard)%20-%20Forcing|mb|P|mb|5S!|an|2!C;%205!D;%202!H;%204!S;%20HCP%2018-20;%202%20or%205%20key%20card(s)%20and%20Queen%20of%20trumps%20(or%20a%2010th%20trump)%20-%20Non%20forcing|mb|P|mb|7S|an|4+!S;%20HCP%2012+;%20to%20play|mb|D|an|HCP%2017-;%20penalty|mb|P|mb|P|mb|P|pc|CA|pc|C2|pc|CT|pc|C3|pc|CJ|pc|H3|pc|C4|pc|CK|mc|12|]399|300[/hv]

 

Edit: and just before anyone asks, I was south here, got moved to North to play it.

[helene_t]

https://tinyurl.com/2k2l76k6

 

So after one robot redoubles my double on its partner's 1NT, redoubler's partner bids 2NT explained as invitational:

1♦-x-1NT-p

p-x-xx-p

2NT-p-3♦-a.p.

[smerriman]

Meta-rule for GIB: every double is for takeout.

 

Meta-rule for Argine: every double is for takeout.. by the opponents..

 

[hv=https://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=st||pn|smerriman,~~v3fakebot,~~v3fakebot,~~v3fakebot|md|4SK3HQ54DAQ93CQ982,S92H6DT86CAKJ7643,S7654HAJ97DKJ2CT5,SAQJT8HKT832D754C|sv|n|rh||ah|Board%202|mb|1S|an|4+!S;%20HCP%2011-20;%20natural|mb|D!|an|HCP%2011+;%20take-out%20-%20Non%20forcing|mb|1N|an|2+!C;%202+!D;%202+!H;%202-3!S;%20HCP%208-10;%20balanced|mb|D!|an|1+!C;%201+!D;%201+!H;%201+!S;%20HCP%208+;%20penalty|mb|2H|an|4-6!H;%205+!S;%20HCP%2011-16;%20two-suiter|mb|P|mb|2S|an|2+!C;%202+!D;%202-3!H;%202-3!S;%20HCP%208-9;%20preference%20for%20this%20suit%20and%20weak%20hand|mb|P|mb|P|mb|D|an|4+!S;%20HCP%2011-16;%20penalty|mb|3C|an|5!C;%203-4!D;%202-3!H;%202!S;%20HCP%208-9;%20natural|mb|P|mb|3N|an|1-3!C;%201-3!D;%204-5!H;%205-6!S;%20HCP%2011-16;%20game,%20to%20play|mb|D|mb|4C|an|5!C;%203-4!D;%202-3!H;%202!S;%20HCP%208-9;%20natural|mb|P|mb|4N|an|1-2!C;%201-3!D;%204-5!H;%205!S;%20HCP%2011-14;%20minimum|mb|D|mb|5C|an|5!C;%203-4!D;%202-3!H;%202!S;%20HCP%208-9;%20natural|mb|P|mb|5N|an|1-2!C;%201-3!D;%204-5!H;%205!S;%20HCP%2011;%20to%20play|mb|D|mb|6C|an|5!C;%203-4!D;%202-3!H;%202!S;%20HCP%208-9;%20to%20play|mb|P|mb|6N|an|1-2!C;%201-3!D;%204-5!H;%205!S;%20HCP%2011;%20to%20play|mb|D|mb|7C|an|5!C;%203-4!D;%202-3!H;%202!S;%20HCP%208-9;%20to%20play|mb|D|an|1+!C;%201+!D;%201+!H;%201+!S;%20HCP%208+;%20penalty|mb|7N|an|1-2!C;%201-3!D;%204-5!H;%205!S;%20HCP%2011;%20to%20play|mb|D|mb|P|mb|P|mb|P|pc|HA|pc|H2|pc|H5|pc|H6|pc|D2|pc|D4|pc|DA|pc|D8|pc|D3|pc|D6|pc|DJ|pc|D5|pc|DK|pc|D7|pc|D9|pc|DT|pc|S4|pc|ST|pc|SK|pc|S2|pc|DQ|pc|C3|pc|S5|pc|H3|pc|C2|pc|CK|pc|C5|pc|H8|pc|CA|pc|CT|pc|HT|pc|C9|pc|S9|pc|S6|pc|SA|pc|S3|pc|HK|pc|H4|pc|C4|pc|H7|pc|S8|pc|C8|pc|C6|pc|S7|pc|SJ|pc|HQ|pc|C7|pc|H9|pc|SQ|pc|CQ|pc|CJ|pc|HJ|]400|300[/hv]

[smerriman]

[hv=https://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=st||pn|smerriman,~Mwest,~Mnorth,~Meast|md|1SA3HAT8DAQJ843CKT,ST97HJ2D965CJ9875,SKQJHK965DK7CAQ42,S86542HQ743DT2C63|sv|b|rh||ah|Board%207|mb|1D|an|4+!D;%20HCP%2011-23;%204-card%20!D%20opener|mb|P|mb|1H|an|4+!H;%20HCP%204+;%20natural%20-%20Forcing|mb|P|mb|2N|an|2+!C;%204-5!D;%202-3!H;%202-4!S;%20HCP%2018-19;%20balanced|mb|P|mb|6N|an|4+!H;%20HCP%2012-16;%20to%20play|mb|P|mb|P|mb|P|pc|ST|pc|SQ|pc|S4|pc|SA|pc|D3|pc|D5|pc|DK|pc|D2|mc|13|]400|300[/hv]

18 opposite 18-19 clearly isn't worth investigating grand on. An unfortunate duplication in spades meant we only had 14 top tricks, rather than 15.

[helene_t]

An unfortunate duplication in spades meant we only had 14 top tricks, rather than 15.

I think you can heart-club squeeze West for a 15th trick in clubs and then a 16th trick in hearts, nice progressive squeeze :)

[pescetom]

Maybe Argine should take a lesson from GiB and bid Gerber over 2NT? :)

[smerriman]

It looks like the bots still think they play standard blackwood. Either that or they just can't count.

I had the same hand as you a couple of weeks ago, and have just had another where it put me in slam after determining we were missing exactly 2 keycards. I think you're right that it's still playing regular Blackwood despite the alerts.

 

[hv=n=saqj63hq64d42ckt2&w=s2ht8753d965c8643&e=s984haj9d83caqj95&v=e&d=s&sn=smerriman&nn=Argine&a=1d(4+!d; HCP 11-23; 4-card !d opener)P1S(4+!s; HCP 4+; natural - Forcing)P4C(5+!d; 4!s; HCP 15-20; Splinter, shortness in this suit and big fit in last suit bid - Game forcing)P4N(4+!S; HCP 12+; RKCB in !s {!s King is a keycard} - Forcing)P5H(5+!d, 4!s; HCP 15-20; 2 or 5 key cards and no Queen of trumps - Forcing)P6S(4+!s; HCP 12+; to play)X(HCP 17-; penalty)PPP]400|300[/hv]

Despite everything in this thread so far, I'm still staggered by how bad Argine is.

[pilowsky]

[hv=https://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?bbo=y&lin=pn%7CSouth%2CRobot%2CRobot%2CRobot%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C3SH8543DK73CAKQT85%2CSJ85HA7DQT98542C2%2CS6432HKQ2DAJCJ764%2CSAKQT97HJT96D6C93%7Csv%7CN%7Cah%7CBoard%205%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C1S%7Can%7C4%2B%21S%3B%20HCP%2011-20%3B%20natural%7Cmb%7C3C%7Can%7C7%2B%21C%3B%20HCP%205-11%3B%20preemptive%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C4H%7Can%7C4%2B%21H%3B%20HCP%205-11%3B%20fit%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7CP%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CSQ%7C]400|300|

Many are called but only this one made it.

The rest of us had a catastrophic implosion.[/hv]