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Argine doesn't know how to follow up in a checkback auction.

 

[hv=https://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?n=sq987hak63dj74ck6&v=n&a=p1c(4+!c;%20HCP%2011-23;%20natural)p1h(4+!h;%20HCP%204+;%20natural%20-%20Forcing)p1N(4-5!c;%202+!d;%202-3!h;%202-4!s;%20HCP%2015-17;%20balanced)p2c(4+!h;%20HCP%207+;%20relay%20-%20Forcing)p2h(4-5!c;%202-4!d;%203!h;%202-4!s;%20HCP%2015-17;%20exactly%203!h%20-%20Non%20forcing)p2s(4+!h;%204-6!s;%20HCP%207-9;%20natural)&d=e]300|200[/hv]

 

- showing 4-6, when it can't have 5-6 or it would have bid 1

- showing 7-9 HCP, when it holds 13

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[hv=https://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?bbo=y&lin=ZZ%7C%7Cpn%7Cpilowsky%2CRobot%2CRobot%2CRobot%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C3SAK973HJTDA864C73%2CSJT6H54DQ2CAKJ962%2CS42HK9632DJT53CQ8%2CSQ85HAQ87DK97CT54%7Csv%7C0%7Cah%7CBoard%201%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C1S%7Can%7C4%2B%21S%3B%20HCP%2011-20%3B%20natural%7Cmb%7C2C%7Can%7C5%2B%21C%3B%20HCP%209-17%3B%20natural%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C2S%21%7Can%7CHCP%2010-11%3B%20cue-bid%2C%20strong%2C%20or%20no%20natural%20bid%20available%20-%20Forcing%7Cmb%7CD%21%7Can%7C6%2B%21S%3B%20HCP%2012-20%3B%206%20good%20suit%20in%20%21S%20-%20Non%20forcing%7Cmb%7C3C%7Can%7C6%2B%21C%3B%20HCP%2010-11%3B%20natural%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C4C%7Can%7CHCP%2011%3B%20to%20play%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C4N%21%7Can%7C6%2B%21C%3B%20HCP%2010-11%3B%20Blackwood%20in%20%21C%2C%20asks%20how%20many%20Aces%20-%20Forcing%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C5D%21%7Can%7C2%2B%21C%3B%20HCP%2011%3B%201%20Ace%28s%29%20-%20Forcing%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C6C%7Can%7C6%2B%21C%3B%20HCP%2010-11%3B%20to%20play%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7CD%7Can%7C6%2B%21S%3B%20HCP%2012-17%3B%20penalty%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7CP%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CHK%7C]400|300|

In a death-defying display of bidding gymnastics Argine attempts to make 6.

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[hv=https://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?bbo=y&lin=pn%7CSouth%2CRobot%2CRobot%2CRobot%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C3SAK973HJTDA864C73%2CSJT6H54DQ2CAKJ962%2CS42HK9632DJT53CQ8%2CSQ85HAQ87DK97CT54%7Csv%7C0%7Cah%7CBoard%201%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C1S%7Can%7C4%2B%21S%3B%20HCP%2011-20%3B%20natural%7Cmb%7C2C%7Can%7C5%2B%21C%3B%20HCP%209-17%3B%20natural%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C2S%21%7Can%7CHCP%2010-11%3B%20cue-bid%2C%20strong%2C%20or%20no%20natural%20bid%20available%20-%20Forcing%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C3C%7Can%7C5%2B%21C%3B%20HCP%209-12%3B%20minimum%7Cmb%7CP%7Can%7CHCP%206-%3B%20minimum%7Cmb%7C4C%7Can%7CHCP%2011%3B%20to%20play%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C4N%21%7Can%7C5%2B%21C%3B%20HCP%2012%3B%20quantitative%20invitation%20to%20slam%20-%20Non%20forcing%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7CP%7Can%7CHCP%2011%3B%20minimum%7Cmb%7CP%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CDK%7C]400|300|

Interestingly if South decides not to double the 2 bid from East, the 4NT (Standard Blackwood Ace asking) is passed out.[/hv]

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[hv=https://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=st||pn|smerriman,~Mwest,~Mnorth,~Meast|md|4SAQT52HT6DKT4CKJ2,SK74H4DAJ98752C94,SJ986HKJ82DQCAT75,S3HAQ9753D63CQ863|sv|n|rh||ah|Board%202|mb|2H|an|6-7!H;%20HCP%204-10;%20weak%20hand|mb|2S|an|5+!S;%20HCP%2011-18;%20natural|mb|P|mb|4S|an|3+!S;%20HCP%205-15;%20fit|mb|P|mb|P|mb|P|pc|H4|pc|H2|pc|H7|pc|HT|pc|D4|pc|DA|pc|DQ|pc|D6|pc|C9|pc|C5|pc|C6|pc|CJ|pc|DT|pc|DJ|pc|S8|pc|D3|pc|SJ|pc|S3|pc|S2|pc|SK|pc|C4|pc|C7|pc|C8|pc|CK|pc|SA|pc|S4|pc|S6|pc|H3|pc|SQ|pc|S7|pc|S9|pc|H5|pc|ST|pc|D2|pc|H8|pc|H9|pc|DK|pc|D5|pc|HJ|pc|C3|mc|11|]400|300[/hv]

Completely nonsensical play on trick 1 gifts me the contract.

 

Nonsensical? Looks like standard 4th best from longest and strongest. If it's good enough for opening leader, it must be good enough for 3rd hand.

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[hv=https://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?nn=Argine&n=SJ9843HQ4D3CQT974&d=w&a=2D(1+!c;%206!d,%20HCP%205-10;%20weak%20hand)P3D(2+!d;%20HCP%20No%20indication;%20fit%20in%20!d)X(4-5!c;%204-5!h;%204-5!s;%20HCP%20No%20indication;%20take-out%20-%20Non-forcing)P]350|200[/hv]

What would you bid here?

 

Argine chose..

 

pass; 3x was cold but it also came up with the only lead which allowed it to make +2 to add insult to injury. The lead perhaps forgivable, but the bidding is less than beginner level stuff.

 

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I am still questioning whether we are in fact bidding Acol. It has some similarities at times, I accept. I try to cross reference with the EBU Acol Standard

 

Oh no. Its the Possum again. All I try to do is bid whatever system I think I am playing. I am very basic and remarkably disciplined most of the time :)

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Acol Robot upgrade coming on February 14

On Tuesday, February 14, we'll be running scheduled maintenance to upgrade the Acol robots. For about an hour there might be disruptions in BBO's Acol games. We'll update this notice when we know the exact time frame.

 

Thank you for your understanding.

 

Upgrade to do what?

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[hv=https://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=st||pn|Credulous,~Mwest,~Mnorth,~Meast|md|3SKQT95HA4DAQJT5C9,S63HKQ752D9CQJ754,SA2HJ8D87643CAKT8,SJ874HT963DK2C632|sv|o|rh||ah|Board%201|mb|1D|an|4+!D;%20HCP%2011-23;%204-card%20!D%20opener|mb|P|mb|1S|an|4+!S;%20HCP%204+;%20natural%20-%20Forcing|mb|P|mb|2C|an|4-6!C;%205-7!D;%20HCP%2011-18;%20two-suiter|mb|P|mb|2H!|an|4+!S;%20HCP%2011+;%204th%20suit%20forcing%20-%20Forcing|mb|P|mb|3D|an|4!C;%205-7!D;%20HCP%2011-18;%20at%20least%205!D%20-%20Forcing|mb|P|mb|4D|an|4+!D;%204-5!S;%20HCP%2015+;%20fit%20in%20!D%20-%20Forcing|mb|P|mb|P|mb|P|pc|HT|pc|HA|pc|H2|pc|H8|pc|C9|pc|C4|pc|CA|pc|C2|pc|D8|pc|D2|pc|DT|pc|D9|pc|S5|pc|S6|pc|SA|pc|S7|pc|D7|pc|DK|pc|DA|pc|H5|pc|SK|pc|S3|pc|S2|pc|S4|pc|S9|pc|H7|pc|D3|pc|S8|pc|CK|pc|C3|pc|H4|pc|C5|pc|C8|pc|C6|pc|DJ|pc|C7|pc|SQ|pc|HK|pc|HJ|pc|SJ|mc|13|]400|300[/hv]

 

Will the update at least fix this Pass?

 

Or should we just ignore the explanations and assume Acol (where neither 3 nor 4 is forcing, according to 'Guide to better Acol Bridge' by Ron Klinger) ?

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Another ingenious slam by Argine.[/hv]

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Can the leap-to-5M bid be outright deleted from Argine's database? It bids it so regularly, and (amongst other reasons) makes it impossible to have any form of meaningful slam auction, especially when it seems to have no idea what it's meant to mean.

 

On the most recent occasion, according to the definition and hand itself, it decided to use it on a keycard-less minimum.

 

[hv=?nn=Argine&d=s&n=SK852HQT7643D3CQJ&v=b&a=2C(HCP 18+; forcing to game - Game forcing)P2H(5+!H; HCP 8+; natural - Forcing)P3H(3+!H; HCP 20+; fit - Forcing)P5H(5+!H; HCP 8; fit)]350|300[/hv]

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Can the leap-to-5M bid be outright deleted from Argine's database? It bids it so regularly, and (amongst other reasons) makes it impossible to have any form of meaningful slam auction, especially when it seems to have no idea what it's meant to mean.

 

On the most recent occasion, according to the definition and hand itself, it decided to use it on a keycard-less minimum.

 

I would already strangle a human partner who bid 2 with a hand like this, even without explicit agreement to exclude it.

What is the problem to show this hand later if necessary?

I am balanced (transfer and investigate slam) or spades (ISL raise) or a single suit minor (bid hearts).

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Another one where they scramble to 6nt after I have doubled every one of their bids

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And here it's my fault for making a misguided double. But why bid 3nt when defending 1ntx was available?

https://tinyurl.com/2hprrj4b

It is also weird to ask p to bid their minor when they have already opened 1di.

 

The 2NT bid is also explained as 4+ in both minors, so I'm not sure why you bid clubs unless you already smelt a rat :)

But anything other than 2 or 2 by N is bizarre, given vulnerability and hand.

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Another one where they scramble to 6nt after I have doubled every one of their bids

 

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Fixed your link. I had the same hand, and elected to bid 3 as South. West tried a 4 cuebid, intended as Michaels, but described as strong (despite being a passed hand). East was either asking for the minor, or bidding a natural 4NT for some reason, but it ended up being interpreted as Blackwood.

 

[hv=https://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?bbo=y&lin=st%7C%7Cmd%7C2SKJ975H6DAK7CAQ53%2CSAQT62H93DQT9853C%2CS4HQJ87542DJ4CKJ6%2CS83HAKTD62CT98742%7Csv%7CB%7Cah%7CBoard%204%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C3H%7Can%7C7-8%21H%3B%20HCP%205-10%3B%20preemptive%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C3S%7Can%7C5%2B%21S%3B%20HCP%2014%2B%3B%20forcing%20-%20Forcing%7Cmb%7C4H%21%7Can%7CHCP%204-11%3B%20cue-bid%2C%20strong%2C%20or%20no%20natural%20bid%20available%20-%20Forcing%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C4N%21%7Can%7CHCP%2017-%3B%20Blackwood%2C%20asks%20how%20many%20Aces%20-%20Forcing%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C5C%21%7Can%7CHCP%204-11%3B%201%20or%204%20Ace%28s%29%20-%20Non%20forcing%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C5N%21%7Can%7CHCP%205-17%3B%20Blackwood%2C%20asks%20how%20many%20Kings%20-%20Forcing%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C6D%21%7Can%7CHCP%204-11%3B%200%20or%203%20King%28s%29%20and%20not%20counting%20King%20of%20trumps%20-%20Non%20forcing%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C6N%7Can%7CHCP%2017%3B%20to%20play%7Cmb%7CD%7Can%7C5%2B%21S%3B%20HCP%2014%2B%3B%20penalty%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7CP%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CSK%7C]400|300[/hv]

 

Really bizarre how the robots make a bid expecting it to mean one thing, but interpret it as another. Seems to be a fundamental issue with how they're programmed. GIBs approach seems better and better the more I play with Argine!

 

Sadly, misplayed for only down 4 and a 58% score :(

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