Can you still find the best contract?

[Free]

This was quite an interesting hand imo, from this weekend:

 

[hv=d=w&v=b&n=sat76ha95da96c832&w=sj9hqt8743dq83c74&e=sq32h2dkjt742ckt5&s=sk854hkj6d5caqj96]399|300|Scoring: MP[/hv]

 

The bidding at our table went:

 

pass - 1♣ - 2♦ - Dbl

2♠! - pass - pass - Dbl

3♦ - 3NT - pass - 4♣

pass - 5♣ - all pass

 

5♣=, but 4♠ is the obvious contract. This board gave us a 87% tnx to my psych, but I wonder if opps could've figured it out...

[helene_t]

1♣-2♦-X-2♠

X---p--p--3♦

p---p--4♦-p

4♠-a.p.

[inquiry]

This was quite an interesting hand imo, from this weekend:

 

[hv=d=w&v=b&n=sat76ha95da96c832&w=sj9hqt8743dq83c74&e=sq32h2dkjt742ckt5&s=sk854hkj6d5caqj96]399|300|Scoring: MP[/hv]

 

The bidding at our table went:

 

pass - 1♣ - 2♦ - Dbl

2♠! - pass - pass - Dbl

3♦ - 3NT - pass - 4♣

pass - 5♣ - all pass

 

5♣=, but 4♠ is the obvious contract. This board gave us a 87% tnx to my psych, but I wonder if opps could've figured it out...

Might not have too. Your partner fielded the psyche too conviently. So it this is a regular partner of yours, you might be ruled against. This is because you psyche frequently, and no doubt this one

 

The correct auction is...

1C - (2D) - DBL - (2S)

Dbl....

 

Now when you run, the die will be cast, and spades or notrump will come into play. And if you don't run.. yummy.

[scoob]

i'm confused by a few things, but i'm on medication today so it might just be me:

 

1) why 2♦? if i'm psyching anything with this hand, it's ♠

2) ben, why do you feel the psyche was fielded? what the alerted 2♠ shows hasn't been detailed, but if it is indeed some type of artificial raise the fact that it was passed essentially exposes the psych to everyone doesn't it?

[whereagles]

I would do it this way

 

1♣.......2♦.....dbl....2♠

pass..pass..dbl.....3♦

3♠

 

The 3♦ bid gives the show away, so North can bid 3♠ with confidence. (He knows pard has extras and that RHO probably was joking with his spade bid.)

 

I don't consider passing 2♠ psyche fielding because it's common sense that experienced players psyche in this situation fairly often. Unless N/S were beginners, I would never rule against E/W.

[inquiry]

2) ben, why do you feel the psyche was fielded? what the alerted 2♠ shows hasn't been detailed, but if it is indeed some type of artificial raise the fact that it was passed essentially exposes the psych to everyone doesn't it?

I took the 2♠! to be not an alert, but an indication from Free of his clever bid (sort of like in chess). I think it might be ruled as fielded, as EAST with a singleton heart and three spades to an honor didn't bump to 3♠ (of course, if 2♠ is non-forcing or "fit-showing with spades), pass could be acceptible, but that is not stated on the hand. Anyway, after North doubles 2♠ and WEST then runs to 3♦, getting to 4♠.

[Free]

We play a light opening system, with 2♠ opening from a 5 card (and good hand) or 6+ card. So I don't see any reason for my partner to bid 3♠ at all, since I passed in first seat!!! Seems like you guys forget that pass for a minute, but it's quite important imo.

 

2♦ is not the psych, 2♠ is. That's why I put the '!' sign. For alerts I use a '*'. ;)

[scoob]

oh i see - i had e/w confused and thought you'd psyched the 2♦ bid ;)

 

this makes more sense, and i don't view the pass as fieded at all.

[flytoox]

We play a light opening system, with 2♠ opening from a 5 card (and good hand) or 6+ card. So I don't see any reason for my partner to bid 3♠ at all, since I passed in first seat!!! Seems like you guys forget that pass for a minute, but it's quite important imo.

 

2♦ is not the psych, 2♠ is. That's why I put the '!' sign. For alerts I use a '*'. ;)

2S should be a fit bid, so pd should raise to 3S. The fact that he didnt raise implies he knows this 2S is likely to be a psychic bid.

 

I completely agree with Ben on this.

[scoob]

you guys are starting to sound like some of the bbo directors:

 

"it's now how i would have bid it, so it must be a field"

[whereagles]

2S should be a fit bid, so pd should raise to 3S.

Why should he raise if pard's 2S might have been made on AKxx or KJTx?

[Guest Jlall]

it's a field because he has Hxx and a stiff and didnt raise? Pass is ok since 2D was so weak, but it certainly is borderline and makes it look pretty fishy that when he chose to pass his partner had psyched.

 

North should, of course, X 2S.

[luis]

I'm VERY confused. Where's the psych?

1♣ - 2♦- X shows majors so 2♠ can't be a real suit unless West is from the IBA but since I'm a board member of the IBA I know he is not.

So 2♠ was a cuebid or some kind of raise or something, why North didn't double is a mistery I'm sure nobody fielded a psyche because there was no psyche!

[Guest Jlall]

I guess we cannot play a suit if RHO has 4 of them. And heaven forbid he make a negative X with 3424 :P

[luis]

I guess we cannot play a suit if RHO has 4 of them. And heaven forbid he make a negative X with 3424 :P

You are a passed hand, LHO opens the bidding, your pd shows a weak hand with diamonds, RHO shows majors and you want to play in spades?

Welcome to the IBA, you are now an official member Justin!

 

Doubling with 3424 can be fine but you do have 7 cards in the majors maybe 34 or 43 but usually the double shows majors.

[flytoox]

you guys are starting to sound like some of the bbo directors:

 

"it's now how i would have bid it, so it must be a field"

I think you misunderstand it.

 

I have never played with Free. However, even if I seat in East and heard Free's 2s bid, I would suspect he is psychicing, as he is one of the posters here who advocate frequent psychic bid.

 

Here if East is a regular pd of Free's, then he must know that 2S is likely to be psychic. Hence he has responsibility to alert it.

 

 

Of course, Nroth should dbl 2S to expose West's psychic bid. But apparently they dont know it. This is another reason why weak players should be protected in some way.

 

 

After all, bridge is supposed to be a gentleman's game.

[scoob]

you are basing your entire argument on the statement "his p must know that 2♠ was a psyche" which i find to be awfully bold.

[flytoox]

you are basing your entire argument on the statement "his p must know that 2♠ was a psyche" which i find to be awfully bold.

Not really. I said it depends on if East is a regular pd of West.

[flytoox]

2S should be a fit bid, so pd should raise to 3S.

Why should he raise if pard's 2S might have been made on AKxx or KJTx?

Please note that Free didnot alert 2S. So 2S should be natural. In this case dont you think East's pass rather strange?

[whereagles]

No I don't. Not if pard is a passed hand.

[Free]

I don't see any reason to go to the 3-level with a couple of cowboys, less than 17HCP, probably some bad split, and probably only an 8 card fit. Even with the singleton, chance is huge you won't get enough ruffs, since your partner won't have trump control.

 

Just to clarify: it was a regular partnership, but I rarely psych with him. However, he knows what psychs are, he made a few himself in the last couple of months, and I gave him the book "the art of psychic bidding" to get him familiar with them (because they might help sometimes). On our convention card it states "psychs: rare, unless against strong artificial openings" which is in this partnership correct.

 

Before he passed my 2♠ bid, he took quite a while to think. When I pulled to 3♦, imo it's clear I psyched for everyone.

[luis]

I don't see any reason to go to the 3-level with a couple of cowboys, less than 17HCP, probably some bad split, and probably only an 8 card fit. Even with the singleton, chance is huge you won't get enough ruffs, since your partner won't have trump control.

 

Just to clarify: it was a regular partnership, but I rarely psych with him. However, he knows what psychs are, he made a few himself in the last couple of months, and I gave him the book "the art of psychic bidding" to get him familiar with them (because they might help sometimes). On our convention card it states "psychs: rare, unless against strong artificial openings" which is in this partnership correct.

 

Before he passed my 2♠ bid, he took quite a while to think. When I pulled to 3♦, imo it's clear I psyched for everyone.

You didn't psyche.

You cuebid 2♠ so what ?

[Free]

I don't see any reason to go to the 3-level with a couple of cowboys, less than 17HCP, probably some bad split, and probably only an 8 card fit.  Even with the singleton, chance is huge you won't get enough ruffs, since your partner won't have trump control.

 

Just to clarify: it was a regular partnership, but I rarely psych with him.  However, he knows what psychs are, he made a few himself in the last couple of months, and I gave him the book "the art of psychic bidding" to get him familiar with them (because they might help sometimes).  On our convention card it states "psychs: rare, unless against strong artificial openings" which is in this partnership correct.

 

Before he passed my 2♠ bid, he took quite a while to think.  When I pulled to 3♦, imo it's clear I psyched for everyone.

You didn't psyche.

You cuebid 2♠ so what ?

I didn't have the hand for the 2♠ cuebid as well :P

[luis]

I don't see any reason to go to the 3-level with a couple of cowboys, less than 17HCP, probably some bad split, and probably only an 8 card fit.  Even with the singleton, chance is huge you won't get enough ruffs, since your partner won't have trump control.

 

Just to clarify: it was a regular partnership, but I rarely psych with him.  However, he knows what psychs are, he made a few himself in the last couple of months, and I gave him the book "the art of psychic bidding" to get him familiar with them (because they might help sometimes).  On our convention card it states "psychs: rare, unless against strong artificial openings" which is in this partnership correct.

 

Before he passed my 2♠ bid, he took quite a while to think.  When I pulled to 3♦, imo it's clear I psyched for everyone.

You didn't psyche.

You cuebid 2♠ so what ?

I didn't have the hand for the 2♠ cuebid as well :P

That doesn't matter :-)

You may say you psyched your strength but anybody thinking that 2♠ showed a real spade suit need a reality check. There're at least 6 or 7 meanings of 2♠ before thinking about a spade suit.

[Flame]

I don't see any reason to go to the 3-level with a couple of cowboys, less than 17HCP, probably some bad split, and probably only an 8 card fit.

if 2s is natural in the sense of offering a real chance to play their, it should show a good 6 card suit. you cant bid a natural 2s after partner prempt in diamond and the oppnents show spadesv with much less. I understand that this would be unlikely hand that would pass the first bid and therfore its probebly clear that 2s isnt natural here. Its not an easy case to say wather your partner should have alerted and what how should explain the bid, imo he should have alerted and explain your system with enough details that will explin the likewood of partner having a serious natural 2sp bid.