AL78 Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 [hv=pc=n&n=skq96hdqj2ckj8754&d=e&v=e&b=6&a=1hp3h(invitational)]133|200[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 yes, I double. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBengtsson Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 yes, I double. I agree with this though the slight reservation is if the opps. outbid us, declarer will have a idea of the distribution, and may play the hand differently due to my X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 If I double my partner will bid 4♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pescetom Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 If I double my partner will bid 4♦ In which case I double again, replaced by 5♣ if TD allows :) Seriously, I think it is a no-brainer to double, especially at this vulnerability.4♦ is not what you were hoping for, but no disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 If I double my partner will bid 4♦When you doubled, you were hoping for good things to happen. This wasn’t a great thing, but you don’t have any call other than an in tempo pass, not revealing by tempo or body language that this wasn’t what you were hoping for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 I agree with this though the slight reservation is if the opps. outbid us, declarer will have a idea of the distribution, and may play the hand differently due to my X. My reservation is different, opener was about to bid 4 and redoubles with partner having a 3532 yarborough. I've done this and collected 1700 before (the best available result for them was 3♥xx= vul, 4♥-1 at the other table) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL78 Posted November 3, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 I reluctantly decided not to come in as I thought if they are at least thinking about bidding game, partner hasn't got much so I might be sticking my neck out too much. This was a mistake: [hv=pc=n&s=s53hj5dt654cat932&w=st872hqt8764da87c&n=skq96hdqj2ckj8754&e=saj4hak932dk93cq6&d=e&v=e&b=6&a=1hp3hp4hppp]399|300[/hv] 5♣ is only one down compared to the making 4♥. One pair found the sac and I guess the other pair found it but the opps bid on to 5♥=. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBengtsson Posted November 4, 2022 Report Share Posted November 4, 2022 I just do not get how West can only bid 3♥ on this hand, even if the opps. are using Acol. 3♥ invitational? That is just crazy! The question remains if the auction goes 1♥ - 4♥ do you still X at favorable vulnerability? Even I feel a bit hesitant about that, at a level higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL78 Posted November 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2022 I just do not get how West can only bid 3♥ on this hand, even if the opps. are using Acol. 3♥ invitational? That is just crazy! The question remains if the auction goes 1♥ - 4♥ do you still X at favorable vulnerability? Even I feel a bit hesitant about that, at a level higher. She reasoned the hand was worth a constructive invitational to game bid based on the losing trick count so bid 3♥ invitational on that basis. I'd be more inclined to come in if RHO had raise directly to game as this normally shows a weak distributional hand with a big trump fit, which means a good trump fit our way and partner is very likely to have some values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL78 Posted November 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2022 I just do not get how West can only bid 3♥ on this hand, even if the opps. are using Acol. 3♥ invitational? That is just crazy! Well it convinced me to make the wrong decision. There are still occasional big holes in my judgement in competitive auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas43 Posted November 4, 2022 Report Share Posted November 4, 2022 She reasoned the hand was worth a constructive invitational to game bid based on the losing trick count so bid 3♥ invitational on that basis. I'd be more inclined to come in if RHO had raise directly to game as this normally shows a weak distributional hand with a big trump fit, which means a good trump fit our way and partner is very likely to have some values. You were fixed if your opponent made this anything other than 7 losers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pescetom Posted November 4, 2022 Report Share Posted November 4, 2022 I just do not get how West can only bid 3♥ on this hand, even if the opps. are using Acol. 3♥ invitational? That is just crazy! The question remains if the auction goes 1♥ - 4♥ do you still X at favorable vulnerability? Even I feel a bit hesitant about that, at a level higher.I think I would still X. But they are both rather redundant questions if East opens 1NT, as would seem logical to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBengtsson Posted November 4, 2022 Report Share Posted November 4, 2022 I think I would still X. But they are both rather redundant questions if East opens 1NT, as would seem logical to me. I assume this hand is from our Acol forum contributors, and 1NT is 12-14 here. (I admit I even like the British style of the weak pre-emptive 1NT opening, that was used by Fantunes and Kaplan-Sheinwold system bidders also.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL78 Posted November 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2022 I think I would still X. But they are both rather redundant questions if East opens 1NT, as would seem logical to me. They were playing a weak NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pescetom Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 They were playing a weak NT.Fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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