thepossum Posted October 20, 2022 Report Share Posted October 20, 2022 [hv=pc=n&s=skjt9532hk6dk94c7&d=e&v=0&b=14&a=p]133|200[/hv] I debated for ages (with myself) between 1,3 and 4 and ended up being in the majority on 4S What do you reckon the best bid is? MPs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBengtsson Posted October 20, 2022 Report Share Posted October 20, 2022 NO. One opp has passed and you have the top suit ♠, a opening hand and a easy rebid. Open 1 ♠ 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycroft Posted October 20, 2022 Report Share Posted October 20, 2022 I would not pre-empt here, but for a different reason - too much defence (or at least unexpected defence). When the opponents bid over, partner will misguess what to do - and even if it's -50 into +50, that's a problem. I don't like 1♠ - like the other thread, partner will game force with hands that have no hope - but I'll do it, and apologize when we lose two trumps and two tricks in 4♠ (and hope that RKC stops me in a making 5 when partner has the even stronger hand). I also am concerned that my defence is poor - yes, the same defence I said was too much for a preempt - and I'll feel uncomfortable when partner doubles 3♥ or 4♥, but again, what if I pull a penalty double to a minus score? But the big question - here and in the other thread - is "what does your partner expect from a pre-empt"? Not what I do, or David, or... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mw64ahw Posted October 20, 2022 Report Share Posted October 20, 2022 Rule of 20 suggests 1♠I prefer 2/3 honours for 4♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pescetom Posted October 20, 2022 Report Share Posted October 20, 2022 I agree with 1S, whatever partner expects from 4S in first seat. I'm less certain about my rebid after a game forcing 2C (may be fit) however, particularly if 2S can be 5 cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepossum Posted October 20, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2022 If you bid 1S you don't get the best result or 4 for that matter - but we were the majority :) EDIT - a few even passed and ended up at 4 anyway I don't know what happens if you bid 3, nobody bid 3 Will post the situation a bit later - but 3 was a good assessment - I wish I had been the one person that bid it :lol: I totally failed using my 234 rule I think anyway given that it appears to have 7-8 tricks + 3 = 10-11 Close I think Mr Pavlicek's hand evaluator gave that a K-R of something above 13 As for my partner it? would usually expect 8+ spades and 5-9 pts. It? has a tendency to preempt with strong suits sometimes. I know it is not a classic preempt because of the other honors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL78 Posted October 21, 2022 Report Share Posted October 21, 2022 Too good for a pre-empt and the offense:defence ratio is sub-optimal, I open 1♠. The fact that it doesn't end up as well as opening a pre-empt is irrelevant. Bridge is a game of probabilities and there is often a chance the best action gets a poor result and vice versa. If bridge was a game of perfect justice I suspect few would play it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted October 21, 2022 Report Share Posted October 21, 2022 Hi, I prefer 4S, in my partnership this may even be a tad to weak for 4S for 2nd pos. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepossum Posted October 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2022 Sorry, after much clamouring and excitement, here is the hand. I just regret not bidding 3 :) Top score was a weak 2 [hv=https://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=st||pn|thepossum,~Mwest,~Mnorth,~Meast|md|4SKJT9532HK6DK94C7,SAQ76H7DQT752CK53,S8HAQT943DAJCQ862,S4HJ852D863CAJT94|sv|o|rh||ah|Board%2014|mb|P|mb|4S|an|Preempt%20--%208+%20!S;%205-9%20HCP|mb|P|mb|P|mb|P|pc|H7|pc|HA|pc|H2|pc|H6|pc|H3|pc|H8|pc|HK|pc|S7|pc|D7|pc|DA|pc|D3|pc|D4|pc|DJ|pc|D8|pc|DK|pc|D5|pc|D9|pc|D2|pc|S8|pc|D6|pc|HQ|pc|H5|pc|C7|pc|S6|pc|DQ|pc|H4|pc|C4|pc|S2|pc|SK|pc|SA|pc|H9|pc|S4|pc|SQ|pc|HT|pc|CJ|pc|S3|pc|C5|pc|C2|pc|CA|pc|S5|mc|9|]400|300[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_lol_ Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 I'm suprised that no one wants to bid 3♠.4♠ promises a 8 card suit or a AKQ 7 card suit that is too weak to open 4♦ (Namyats) for me.At first/second seat, I would open 3♠ with 2/3 honors with maximum a side A1♠ with 3Ks and a Jack is just too much for meSo I would pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 1s 2h2s 3h4hDecent contract, goes down on this unlucky split 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pescetom Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 1s 2h2s 3h4hDecent contract, goes down on this unlucky splitNot sure it would or even should make with a normal hearts split, the spades are pretty poor and partner did not promise help. My stomach rejects unilateral auctions, but I would still have more faith in the following:1s 2h2s 3h4s p.A decent (English English) punt at any rate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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