Tramticket Posted October 13, 2022 Report Share Posted October 13, 2022 [hv=pc=n&s=shq98753d752ckjt8&d=w&v=b&b=4&a=p1c1s]133|200[/hv] IMPSYour system is Acol, so the 1♣ opening promised at least a four card suit. It will usually be either strong (15+) and balanced or at least a five-card suit (although 4414 is possible). 2♥ in a disturbed auction is forcing and tends to suggest 10 or more HCPs. You might stretch this with a suitable hand, but 6 HCPs? A 2♠ bid is artificial and forcing to game. Double shows four hearts and 10+ points or four+ hearts in a weaker hand. But what are you planning to do when they raise spades? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mw64ahw Posted October 13, 2022 Report Share Posted October 13, 2022 I would be tempted to go with 4♥ although 2♥ would be the more natural response for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidKok Posted October 13, 2022 Report Share Posted October 13, 2022 Three observations:One of the advantages of playing a weak notrump is that responder is somewhat protected after interference over 1m. Opener will either have extra strength (15+ HCP) or extra shape (5+ clubs unless exactly (4441), and some partnerships open 1♦ with 4=4 in the minors). This allows us to stretch our overcalls since the 3-level is often safe. Playing 4cM increases our advantage even further - even if partner is balanced, we are guaranteed a double fit in hearts and clubs. I think for this reason it is common, maybe even standard, and certainly my personal favourite to lower the HCP requirement of overcalls. I frequently stretch on this auction playing a strong notrump anyway and think a better agreement would be "8+ HCP, forcing for one round" to begin with (and if they catch us speeding with 12 opposite 8 misfitting I'll take the bad with the good), and I'm tempted to knock a point or two off of that in a weak notrump system. 10+ opposite 15-17 is also straight up GF, which seems excessive.This hand is worth a game force opposite 15-17 balanced with 4(+) clubs due to the double fit. Partner is likely to have 4 spades if balanced (since we don't have any), but even opposite some wasted values I am never stopping in 3♥ or 2♥. ♥AKx ♣Axxx and out is fine odds for game, 4 points less than a minimum 1NT opener.Even if we were unsure of our willingness to bid 4♥, we always bid shape first, strength second. An extra heart and a spade void is exactly the type of scenario where double can come back to bite us if they raise spades. I think our primary goal should be to inform partner of what to do over their possible 4♠ coming up, and this 'HCP' business is of secondary concern.For all the reasons above I would bid 3♥ - a forcing fitbid with 5(+) hearts and 4(+) clubs. I intend to pull 3NT or 4♣ to 4♥, and if partner is unbalanced with clubs and a heart shortage they will pull to 5♣. I think 2♥ is a close second (and the only real option if you do not have a fitbid available), and double, pass, 4♥ or club raises are poor choices.As a final remark I would really like to make partner declarer in 4♥, protecting their possible spade or diamond holdings. Unfortunately I do not have the tools to make this happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted October 13, 2022 Report Share Posted October 13, 2022 I agree with David I'd bid 3♥, this is an advantage of a 4 card club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramticket Posted October 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2022 I was kibitzing, rather than playing, so don't know whether 3♥ was available as a fit jump - which was the reason that I didn't include it as an option. Presumably 2♥ is the nearest alternative without that toy? Edit: I managed to update the poll options to include the fit jump. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pescetom Posted October 13, 2022 Report Share Posted October 13, 2022 Edit: I managed to change my vote now that 3♥ is available is a fit jump, assuming I knew I had that toy B-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBengtsson Posted October 13, 2022 Report Share Posted October 13, 2022 I am not sure what you are trying to achieve here with this poor hand when the opps. are holding the ♠ suit so can outbid you without raising the level. A 3♥ bid just seems extreme and partner could be very confused whether to sacrifice or X the opps. if they end up in a ♠ contract at any level. I think X is enough here. The opps. will raise the ♠ suit that is a given, but I want to hear what partner says to X first when that happens. If he cannot bid further, then I do not want to be competing at the five level at red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted October 13, 2022 Report Share Posted October 13, 2022 I am not sure what you are trying to achieve here with this poor hand when the opps. are holding the ♠ suit so can outbid you without raising the level. A 3♥ bid just seems extreme and partner could be very confused whether to sacrifice or X the opps. if they end up in a ♠ contract at any level. I think X is enough here. The opps. will raise the ♠ suit that is a given, but I want to hear what partner says to X first when that happens. If he cannot bid further, then I do not want to be competing at the five level at red. So partner's supposed to realise his xxx, AKx, Axx, AQxx is truly vast opposite my double and bid 5♥ or 6♣ rather than doubling 4♠ for a quite probable -1 ? The point of 3♥ is to bid 9 cards rather than 4 and suggest my hand is more offensive than defensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilithin Posted October 14, 2022 Report Share Posted October 14, 2022 The problem with a fit jump is that some pairs play forcing passes after a FJ when vulnerable. If you have this agreement then it would not be a good call. If your fit jump only promises enough offensive strength for the call, then it is fine. If you do not have a fit jump available then the normal way of responding in the English-speaking world is Double. If you play in a part of the world where NFBs are standard then you probably respond 2♥, with the strong expectation that this will not end the auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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