michel444 Posted September 21, 2022 Report Share Posted September 21, 2022 [hv=pc=n&s=sqt9842htd763caj4&w=sjhaj632dqtcq9532&n=sk753h8dakj9852c6&e=sa6hkq9754d4ckt87&d=w&v=0&b=8&a=p1d(4%2BSPADE%209-14%20HCP)d(L%26H%204%2BH%264%2BC%2012%2BP)3s(4-5%20%20SPADE)4hd(PARTNER%20BID%20ON)p4sppp]399|300[/hv]Doing research on Forcing pass system an defencethat was the third time in row somone reach a spade contractWest Play a "normal" 5 cards major system using a lot of unusual defense bidingthe complexity of biding after Fert opening ekren and transfer opening make me understand whyFP system is no LEGAL .so west have a hand that is to weak to open in first chair north have an "average" opening with 4 cards ♠ the system use a Major Alwas First aproch so with 4♠ and 7♦ bid 1♦to show his 4 cards♠ (range of point is 9-14)East who use a Laurel and hardy defence on 1 level openingdouble to show 4+♣ and 4+♥ and 0-2 ♦and a minimum of 12 pointsouth have to many spade his partner didnt mention answering with 6 cards supoortso bid 3 spade promising 4-5 cards ♠West reavuleate his handhis 8 count are now 12-13addig 3 point for Splinter spade and 2 more point for 5th club and 5th heartso bid 4Hsouth Double proposing partner to bid 4 SpadeEast have no reason to bid on and passnorth bid 4 ♠west lead the ace of Heart and switch to spade4+1 spade h Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel444 Posted September 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2022 [hv=pc=n&s=saq9hk632dj754cq2&w=st7652h7dq9ckj985&n=sk84hj95dkt6ca763&e=sj3haqt84da832ct4&d=e&v=0&b=14&a=1hp1sp2dp2sppp]399|300[/hv]this was first with good defense 2s is down 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel444 Posted September 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2022 the secod hand 2 ♦ show 6+♦ 0-3 M 0-4 CLUBSOUTH DONT WANT TP PASS WITH Splinter ♦ bid 2 ♠ to prevent oponetto find ther heart fitnorth bid 3♥ to show a 3=3=6=1 or 3=3=7=0 Distribution[hv=d=n&v=0&b=1&a=2dp2sp3hp3sppp]133|100[/hv]East lead spade and contract go 2 down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mw64ahw Posted September 21, 2022 Report Share Posted September 21, 2022 [hv=pc=n&s=sqt9842htd763caj4&w=sjhaj632dqtcq9532&n=sk753h8dakj9852c6&e=sa6hkq9754d4ckt87&d=w&v=0&b=8&a=p1d(4%2BSPADE%209-14%20HCP)d(L%26H%204%2BH%264%2BC%2012%2BP)3s(4-5%20%20SPADE)4hd(PARTNER%20BID%20ON)p4sppp]399|300[/hv]Doing research on Forcing pass system an defencethat was the third time in row somone reach a spade contractWest Play a "normal" 5 cards major system using a lot of unusual defense bidingthe complexity of biding after Fert opening ekren and transfer opening make me understand whyFP system is no LEGAL .so west have a hand that is to weak to open in first chair north have an "average" opening with 4 cards ♠ the system use a Major Alwas First aproch so with 4♠ and 7♦ bid 1♦to show his 4 cards♠ (range of point is 9-14)East who use a Laurel and hardy defence on 1 level openingdouble to show 4+♣ and 4+♥ and 0-2 ♦and a minimum of 12 pointsouth have to many spade his partner didnt mention answering with 6 cards supoortso bid 3 spade promising 4-5 cards ♠West reavuleate his handhis 8 count are now 12-13addig 3 point for Splinter spade and 2 more point for 5th club and 5th heartso bid 4Hsouth Double proposing partner to bid 4 SpadeEast have no reason to bid on and passnorth bid 4 ♠west lead the ace of Heart and switch to spade4+1 spadeWhy not 4♠ if you are going to play the law?3♠ as a limit raise opposite a potential 9 count looks too aggressive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel444 Posted September 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2022 Why not 4♠ if you are going to play the law?3♠ as a limit raise opposite a potential 9 count looks too aggressive? IN Forcing pass system an opening of pass in first chairor in second chair -when dealer passed promise 14+point unbalanced or 15+p balancedwithout interference responder bid of 1 spade on FP is negative.. when North open 1 ♦ he limited his HCP in the 9-14 Pointpartner suport with 3 or more cards. w/o interference 1♠ is a G/T + (game try or better ) w/o acpecting spade as Trump1♥ is a game forcing relay asking opener to describe his hand and can bring a very long sequence of bidingall other response are limited and non forcing3♠ is NOT a limit raise but as writen above show 4-5 card support of Spade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nullve Posted September 21, 2022 Report Share Posted September 21, 2022 East who use a Laurel and hardy defence on 1 level openingdouble to show 4+♣ and 4+♥ and 0-2 ♦and a minimum of 12 pointHow is doubling with 2614 shape consistent with the description of Laurel and Hardy given here? I'd guess the correct overcall is 1N, since an intermediate jump overcall is not available NV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel444 Posted September 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2022 How is doubling with 2614 shape consistent with the description of Laurel and Hardy given here? I'd guess the correct overcall is 1N, since an intermediate jump overcall is not available NV.maybe i didnt grab the Laurel hardy complexas 1 Diamond is artificial showing Spade1 spade will be a T/o with 3+cards in all other suit1 heart wills show club and diamond 12+pand 1 NT and unspecified 5 cards (club diamond or Heart ) W/O a side cards of 4 12-15 p2 club will show Diamond and heart 12+ p2 heart a weak 6 cards less then 12p2 spade 5+ heart and 4+m and weak (less then 12 point2nt weak with 4-5 or 55 in minor(less then 12 p ) maybe the right bid is 2 diamond and not double Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mw64ahw Posted September 22, 2022 Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 3♠ is NOT a limit raise but as writen above show 4-5 card support of Spadebut you have 6 card support, not 4-5, so why not 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel444 Posted September 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 but you have 6 card support, not 4-5, so why not 4♠.I see no reason why not bid 4 ♠ Spread link // http://www.users.on.net/~mabraham/systems/SPREAD/index.html / South see the 9+Heart fit of opponnet; He have 1♥ and his partner 0-3♥ as south the question is if 3♠ is enaught to make west pass again or does he have to bid 4♠its hard to imagine North hand to make 4 ♠ if north is max he is balanced 5=2-3=2-3=2-3or 4 432 - 4♠ 4 minor and 2-3 ♥ 2-3 in Omlike ♠ AKJx ♥ xx ♦ KQJx ♣ xxx and even 3♠ just make Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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