omeroj Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=sakj6543h543dac63]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] I think that 90% of players open 1♠, opp bid 4♥ p p...what do u bid? Tks for the answers, Omero P.S. In Italy some players, me too open 4♣ for ♥ and 4♦ for ♠ if we have 8 cards AKQ.... of 7 cards AKQ... more 1 ace...but here we have AKJ... we could make it, but we try to suppose to open 1♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 4S, unless you enjoy being robbed. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omeroj Posted June 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 I think that 4♠ is the more simple bid, but you all open 1♠ or use other conventions? Tks, Omero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 4S seems ok. Better still: open 4S :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 "I think that 4♠ is the more simple bid, but you all open 1♠ or use other conventions?" I play Namyats with one partner, but this hand isn't quite good enough for it, as you pointed out, so I would open 1S, but 4S is OK too. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 Classic Namyats for me, but if I don't play it I open 1S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 1S fine, 4S now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 Fits within my Namyats opener. Another case of 4♠ over 4♥ (yawn). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 Apparently I am not only marching to a different drummer, I'm in a different parade. But I pass. I expect pass to bring me minus 420 so the question is whether I can do better by bidding. I don't see ten tricks here and, more importantly perhaps, I don't see nine either. If I am to ruff hearts in dummy, two things have to happen. Partner has to have spades, and rho has to have smaller spades. Maybe so, but I am not betting on it. Similarly, if I am to pick up spades dummy has to have some and I have to get there. And, still, there is no guarantee. Preempts make us guess, and I guess bidding brings minus 500 more often than not. I concede that I am thoroughly outvoted here. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 No Namyats here (2 aces, not 8 tricks). Namyats remains a preempt for me. 1♠ and now 4♠ Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatrix45 Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 :P I bid 4♠. I don't know why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 Apparently I am not only marching to a different drummer, I'm in a different parade. But I pass. I expect pass to bring me minus 420 so the question is whether I can do better by bidding. I don't see ten tricks here and, more importantly perhaps, I don't see nine either. If I am to ruff hearts in dummy, two things have to happen. Partner has to have spades, and rho has to have smaller spades. Maybe so, but I am not betting on it. Similarly, if I am to pick up spades dummy has to have some and I have to get there. And, still, there is no guarantee. Preempts make us guess, and I guess bidding brings minus 500 more often than not. I concede that I am thoroughly outvoted here. Ken Mike Lawrence says that , when opps preempt, and noone else bids, you can usually rely on 7+ "normal" hcp from partner.Of couse, sometime he does not have it, some other times he might have even more than that, but "on balance" that's what he will have. The question now is: if pard contributes 7 "nondescript" hcp, do we want to bid game or try and set the contract ?In this specific hand, I am a 4S bidder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=sakj6543h543dac63]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] I think that 90% of players open 1♠, opp bid 4♥ p p...what do u bid? Tks for the answers, Omero P.S. In Italy some players, me too open 4♣ for ♥ and 4♦ for ♠ if we have 8 cards AKQ.... of 7 cards AKQ... more 1 ace...but here we have AKJ... we could make it, but we try to suppose to open 1♠ Open 1♠ over 4♥ bid 4♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 :P I bid 4♠. I don't know why. heh it's funny, I feel exactly the same way. Conventional wisdom maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 4♠ You don't need much from partner to have a play for this, P shouldn't have heart tricks and 10 hearts (theoretically) have been accounted for in the bidding. If P is something like 1-2-6-4 with few controls, the opps might just be making 4Hts. You might be risking a huge swing by not bidding. I know, wrong again :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 Apparently I am not only marching to a different drummer, I'm in a different parade. But I pass. I expect pass to bring me minus 420 so the question is whether I can do better by bidding. I don't see ten tricks here and, more importantly perhaps, I don't see nine either. If I am to ruff hearts in dummy, two things have to happen. Partner has to have spades, and rho has to have smaller spades. Maybe so, but I am not betting on it. Similarly, if I am to pick up spades dummy has to have some and I have to get there. And, still, there is no guarantee. Preempts make us guess, and I guess bidding brings minus 500 more often than not. I concede that I am thoroughly outvoted here. Ken Minus 500 + 420 = 80, you risk 2 imps by bidding if your premise about going -420 is correct, you lose 1040 if both 4H and 4S make. You lose a truckload if you're -500 and could have been +100 or 300, but P needs some tricks for that to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 you risk 2 imps by bidding if your premise about going -420 is correct unfortunately its MP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 you risk 2 imps by bidding if your premise about going -420 is correct unfortunately its MP Thanks, I needed that.still bid 4S although not with as much conviction: too many hands that P can have that passes 4H but provides a trick or two.and, I suspect that I shall have some company in 4S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 I open 4♠ and having not done so I will bid it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Actually, this hand is perfect for a 4S opening. If opps bid something, double them, showing a decent 4S opener with mild defensive values. The worst that can happen is missing a slam, but that's a 2 or 3% chance. Well worth the rist at MP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omeroj Posted June 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 I think that 4♠won:) tks for answers Omero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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