thorvald Posted September 5, 2022 Report Share Posted September 5, 2022 GIB can't handle strong hands Here it terrorized both declarers but in different ways First my opponent [hv=url=https://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?bbo=y&lin=pn%7CHuman%2CRobot%2CRobot%2CRobot%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C1S3HA973DAKJ872CA6%2CST9754HK86D53CK94%2CSAKJ2HQ4DQ64CQJ85%2CSQ86HJT52DT9CT732%7Csv%7C0%7Cah%7CBoard%2011%7Cmb%7C1D%7Can%7CMinor%20suit%20opening%20--%203%2B%20%21D%3B%2011-21%20HCP%3B%2012-22%20total%20points%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C1S%7Can%7COne%20over%20one%20--%204%2B%20%21S%3B%206%2B%20total%20points%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C2D%7Can%7COpener%20rebids%20his%20D%20--%203-%20%21S%3B%2011-15%20HCP%3B%20twice%20rebiddable%20%21D%3B%2012-16%20total%20points%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C2H%7Can%7CNew%20suit%20--%203%2B%20%21H%3B%204%2B%20%21S%3B%2012%2B%20total%20points%3B%20forcing%20to%203N%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C4H%7Can%7C5%2B%20%21H%3B%203-%20%21S%3B%2012-15%20HCP%3B%20twice%20rebiddable%20%21D%3B%2013-16%20total%20points%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7CP%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CHT%7C]399|300[/hv] 2♥ could be 3-card, but should in my book also promise 5-card ♠. I think 2♥ is a really ugly bid, but as it is GF i think the right bid is 3♥ from south. But 4♥ is making on the 4-2 fit Also note that 2♦ is 11-15 HCP and south has 16 with a lot of controls At my table this happened [hv=url=https://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?bbo=y&lin=pn%7CThorvald%2CRobot%2CRobot%2CRobot%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C1S3HA973DAKJ872CA6%2CST9754HK86D53CK94%2CSAKJ2HQ4DQ64CQJ85%2CSQ86HJT52DT9CT732%7Csv%7C0%7Cah%7CBoard%2011%7Cmb%7C1D%7Can%7CMinor%20suit%20opening%20--%203%2B%20%21D%3B%2011-21%20HCP%3B%2012-22%20total%20points%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C1S%7Can%7COne%20over%20one%20--%204%2B%20%21S%3B%206%2B%20total%20points%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C2H%7Can%7COpener%20reverse%20--%205%2B%20%21D%3B%204%2B%20%21H%3B%203-%20%21S%3B%2021-%20HCP%3B%2018-22%20total%20points%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C3D%7Can%7C3%2B%20%21D%3B%204%2B%20%21S%3B%208%2B%20HCP%3B%20forcing%20to%203N%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C3N%7Can%7C5%2B%20%21D%3B%204-5%20%21H%3B%203-%20%21S%3B%2017-21%20HCP%3B%2018-22%20total%20points%3B%20likely%20stop%20in%20%21C%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C4N%7Can%7CBlackwood%20%28D%29%20--%203%2B%20%21D%3B%204%2B%20%21S%3B%2014%2B%20total%20points%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C5D%7Can%7COne%20or%20four%20key%20cards%20--%205%2B%20%21D%3B%204-5%20%21H%3B%203-%20%21S%3B%2017-21%20HCP%3B%2018-22%20total%20points%3B%20likely%20stop%20in%20%21C%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C5N%7Can%7CQuery%20kings.%20Have%20all%20keycards.%20Does%20not%20promise%20extras%20--%203%2B%20%21D%3B%204%2B%20%21S%3B%20%21DQ%3B%2014%2B%20total%20points%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C6D%7Can%7CNo%20king%20%28below%20D%29%20--%205%2B%20%21D%3B%204-5%20%21H%3B%203-%20%21S%3B%2017-21%20HCP%3B%2018-22%20total%20points%3B%20likely%20stop%20in%20%21C%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C7D%7Can%7CSignoff%20--%203%2B%20%21D%3B%204%2B%20%21S%3B%20%21DQ%3B%2014%2B%20total%20points%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7CP%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cmc%7C11%7C]399|300[/hv] 2♥ as reverse showed 18-22 points, and that fits the hand, but single in partners suit should be downgraded, but the 6th ♦ qualifies the hand for a reverse Over 3N the Bot checked Aces and with all aces it queried Kings. Now looking at the hand ♣K would make 7♦ a fine contract, but when that was denied it simulated and found that even ♥K would make the grand a good slam. I assume that my destiny was given as soon as I answered 4 aces, and 5N was just a book bid and simulation first was executed after the response of 6♦ So neither of us found a way to 6♦, that looks like an OK contract. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBengtsson Posted September 6, 2022 Report Share Posted September 6, 2022 This is (one reason) why I do not play with robots: they do not have strategy to 'think forward' (as with chess bots). On this hand if I was North I would be thinking, what is my next bid after 1♠ if partner rebids 2♦? I have not got a sensible one in 2/1. I guess (and it is a guess) that 2/1 experts - and I confess I do not know 2/1 in full - would have not bid the 4 card ♠ suit here but would have made the immediate G/F response of 2♣. If there is a 4-4♠ to be found it can be found later. As for the bidding sequence on the second hand I do not understand why the bot bid one more to 7♦? That is just crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas43 Posted September 7, 2022 Report Share Posted September 7, 2022 This is (one reason) why I do not play with robots: they do not have strategy to 'think forward' (as with chess bots). On this hand if I was North I would be thinking, what is my next bid after 1♠ if partner rebids 2♦? I have not got a sensible one in 2/1. I guess (and it is a guess) that 2/1 experts - and I confess I do not know 2/1 in full - would have not bid the 4 card ♠ suit here but would have made the immediate G/F response of 2♣. If there is a 4-4♠ to be found it can be found later. As for the bidding sequence on the second hand I do not understand why the bot bid one more to 7♦? That is just crazy. Would 1♦ -1♠ - 2♦- 3♣ not fit the bill? Or does 3♣ have some special meaning? (Genuine question, I usually play Acol not 2/1) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pescetom Posted September 8, 2022 Report Share Posted September 8, 2022 Would 1♦ -1♠ - 2♦- 3♣ not fit the bill? Or does 3♣ have some special meaning? (Genuine question, I usually play Acol not 2/1)2D understates the hand (imagine without hA) and is non-forcing, partner with a lesser hand than the one depicted might pass and still miss game.I am comfortable with 2H, which is a slight overbid but cheaper and more descriptive than 3D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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