thepossum Posted August 19, 2022 Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 [hv=https://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=st||pn|thepossum,~~M43203,~~M43201,~~M43202|md|3SAQ6HKT976DT7CKQ5,S54HQJ4DKQJ963CT8,SKJT873HA82D42CJ4,S92H53DA85CA97632|sv|e|rh||ah|Board%209|mb|2S|an|Weak%20two%20bid%20--%201-4%20!C;%201-3%20!D;%201-3%20!H;%206+%20!S;%2010-%20HCP;%207+%20total%20points%20|mb|P|mb|4S|an|The%20Law:%2010%20trump%20-%3E%20game%20support%20--%202+%20!S;%204+%20total%20points|mb|P|mb|P|mb|P|pc|DA|pc|D7|pc|D6|pc|D2|pc|CA|pc|C5|pc|C8|pc|CJ|pc|H3|pc|H6|pc|HJ|pc|HA|pc|SK|pc|S2|pc|S6|pc|S4|pc|S3|pc|S9|pc|SQ|pc|S5|pc|CK|pc|CT|pc|C4|pc|C9|pc|CQ|pc|D9|pc|H2|pc|C6|pc|HK|pc|H4|pc|H8|pc|H5|pc|H7|pc|HQ|pc|S7|pc|C7|mc|11|]400|300[/hv] It was a bit embarrassing. The simplest possible bidding and play yet it scored 100% for yours trulyFor everyone else East seemed able to find 3 winners On a very small sample I appeared to trick GiB by playing the J clubs on trick two (I was declaring as North :)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smerriman Posted August 19, 2022 Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 If you want a GIB-related answer, rather than a real-bridge answer, you'll need to post more details about what happened at the other tables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepossum Posted August 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 OK Brief summary. Almost every other table bid 4S, either the same way as me or via 2NT - EDIT correction, several never made it past 2 but that's irrelevantWhat appears to be the difference was the play of the J or x of Clubs on trick 2 leading in my case to a suicidal switch to Hearts by East, yet on other tables maintaining a successful diamond attack on trick 3 :) Enough to "trick" a sim obviously, somehow And I have sampled about 60% of the tables that also bid 4 and my hypothesis on the play of Clubs on trick 2 appears to hold up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smerriman Posted August 20, 2022 Report Share Posted August 20, 2022 What appears to be the difference was the play of the J or x of Clubs on trick 2 leading in my case to a suicidal switch to Hearts by East, yet on other tables maintaining a successful diamond attack on trick 3 :)Well, there's your answer :) If you play a different card to every other table, GIB will come up with a different set of simulations at your table compared to others. When I put GIB in this position repeatedly, it decided to play a heart almost every time, but a diamond about once every 30 occasions. This is independent of what card you played - it'll pick a diamond once every 30 times if you play the jack too. In this case, the other tables stumbled upon the unlucky "one in 30" shot. It was just as likely that you'd stumble upon the unlucky "one in 30" shot and get a 0% score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepossum Posted August 20, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2022 Well, there's your answer :) If you play a different card to every other table, GIB will come up with a different set of simulations at your table compared to others. When I put GIB in this position repeatedly, it decided to play a heart almost every time, but a diamond about once every 30 occasions. This is independent of what card you played - it'll pick a diamond once every 30 times if you play the jack too. In this case, the other tables stumbled upon the unlucky "one in 30" shot. It was just as likely that you'd stumble upon the unlucky "one in 30" shot and get a 0% score. Maybe if the defence is that flaky it would be better put to more like a coin toss decision on which line of defence. Maybe more accurate representation of variance. I am surprised at many things about how Gib "sims" work or not and understand problems with how seeds are used or generated it still seems a bit unfair How would a reasonably competent human have defended? Would the play of the Jack versus x really be enough to change a Double Dummy calculation on that defence. Its curious to some of us I will remember to do it next time the situation arises and see what happens EDIT. I tried it in another Bridge program and the initial defence was a heart, not a diamond. However after forcing a diamond defence it continued with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smerriman Posted August 20, 2022 Report Share Posted August 20, 2022 Would the play of the Jack versus x really be enough to change a Double Dummy calculation on that defence. Its curious to some of usIn case I wasn't clear, the card you played had zero, zip, nada influence on the robot's logic. Imagine a different robot at each table. You ask it to generate a random number from 1 to 30, and you win if you get a 30. You have a 1 in 30 chance of winning, right? BBO has adjusted the robots so that they all get the same random number if the human does everything identically. You did something different, so your robot generates a different random number. You still have the same 1 in 30 shot at winning.. and fluked the winning number, but it wasn't because of what you did. In real bridge, humans signal, so East would know to continue with a diamond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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