thorvald Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 The south hand seems to strong for a direct 4♥ bid, but it seems that after a T/O double the robot will not understand that South has a hand with long ♥s [hv=pc=n&s=s4haqj86432dakjct&w=s753h95dt984cqj43&n=sakqt9hkt7d753c62&e=sj862hdq62cak9875&d=e&v=ns&b=1&a=1cd]399|300[/hv] So after a cuebid of 2♣ in North I found it impossible to get to ♥s as T/O is defined as 3-4♥ and 3-4♠s [hv=url=https://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?bbo=y&lin=pn%7Cglensa%2CRobot%2CRobot%2CRobot%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C4S4HAQJ86432DAKJCT%2CS753H95DT984CQJ43%2CSAKQT9HKT7D753C62%2CSJ862HDQ62CAK9875%7Csv%7CN%7Cah%7CBoard%202%7Cmb%7C1C%7Can%7CMinor%20suit%20opening%20--%203%2B%20%21C%3B%2011-21%20HCP%3B%2012-22%20total%20points%7Cmb%7CD%7Can%7CTakeout%20double%20--%202-%20%21C%3B%203-5%20%21D%3B%203-4%20%21H%3B%203-4%20%21S%3B%2012%2B%20total%20points%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C2C%7Can%7C11%2B%20total%20points%3B%20forcing%7Cmb%7CD%7Can%7C11-21%20HCP%3B%20rebiddable%20%21C%3B%20%21CKQ%3B%2012-22%20total%20points%7Cmb%7C4H%7Can%7C2-%20%21C%3B%203-5%20%21D%3B%204-%20%21H%3B%203-4%20%21S%3B%20biddable%20%21H%3B%2012%2B%20total%20points%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C4S%7Can%7C4%2B%20%21S%3B%2011%2B%20total%20points%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C6H%7Can%7C2-%20%21C%3B%203-5%20%21D%3B%204-%20%21H%3B%203-4%20%21S%3B%20biddable%20%21H%3B%2021%2B%20total%20points%3B%20two%20stops%20in%20%21H%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C6S%7Can%7C4%2B%20%21S%3B%2011%2B%20total%20points%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C7H%7Can%7C2-%20%21C%3B%203-5%20%21D%3B%204-%20%21H%3B%203-4%20%21S%3B%20biddable%20%21H%3B%2025%2B%20total%20points%3B%20two%20stops%20in%20%21H%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C7S%7Can%7C4%2B%20%21S%3B%2011%2B%20total%20points%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7CP%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cmc%7C10%7C]399|300[/hv] [hv=url=https://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?bbo=y&lin=pn%7CThorvald%2CRobot%2CRobot%2CRobot%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C4S4HAQJ86432DAKJCT%2CS753H95DT984CQJ43%2CSAKQT9HKT7D753C62%2CSJ862HDQ62CAK9875%7Csv%7CN%7Cah%7CBoard%202%7Cmb%7C1C%7Can%7CMinor%20suit%20opening%20--%203%2B%20%21C%3B%2011-21%20HCP%3B%2012-22%20total%20points%7Cmb%7CD%7Can%7CTakeout%20double%20--%202-%20%21C%3B%203-5%20%21D%3B%203-4%20%21H%3B%203-4%20%21S%3B%2012%2B%20total%20points%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C2C%7Can%7C11%2B%20total%20points%3B%20forcing%7Cmb%7CD%7Can%7C11-21%20HCP%3B%20rebiddable%20%21C%3B%20%21CKQ%3B%2012-22%20total%20points%7Cmb%7C3H%7Can%7C2-%20%21C%3B%203-5%20%21D%3B%204-%20%21H%3B%203-4%20%21S%3B%2013%2B%20HCP%3B%20biddable%20%21H%3B%2014%2B%20total%20points%3B%20two%20stops%20in%20%21H%3B%20forcing%20to%203N%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C4S%7Can%7C5%2B%20%21S%3B%2010%2B%20HCP%3B%2011-13%20total%20points%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C6H%7Can%7C2-%20%21C%3B%203-5%20%21D%3B%204-%20%21H%3B%203-4%20%21S%3B%2013%2B%20HCP%3B%20biddable%20%21H%3B%2014%2B%20total%20points%3B%20two%20stops%20in%20%21H%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C6S%7Can%7C5%2B%20%21S%3B%2013%2B%20HCP%3B%2013-%20total%20points%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C7H%7Can%7C2-%20%21C%3B%203-5%20%21D%3B%204-%20%21H%3B%203-4%20%21S%3B%2013%2B%20HCP%3B%20biddable%20%21H%3B%2014%2B%20total%20points%3B%20two%20stops%20in%20%21H%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7C7S%7Can%7C5%2B%20%21S%3B%2013%2B%20HCP%3B%2013-%20total%20points%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7CP%7Cmb%7CP%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cmc%7C8%7C]399|300[/hv] I think the 3-4♥ from T/O-Double is wrong as it can be any 18+ hcp hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 Yes that's an annoying issue. GIB doesn't quite understand that a t/o double can also be 18+ almost any shape. It's a bit inconsistent because sometimes it will pass your second bid with shortness in your suit and length in another suit, but generally it's good advice not to double without support for all unbid suits, or at least the unbid majors. With this hand I think it's practical to overcall 4♥. You can also start with 2♥. FWIW I wouldn't double with this hand opposite a human partner, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smerriman Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 This is a well known GIB flaw. GIB can handle offshape doubles if the opponents stay silent, and partner makes a simple suit bid. But if partner shows strength like here, or the opponents compete, none of the followup are programmed correctly, each of them locking in the classic takeout double definition. So you basically have to avoid using them as much as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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