accusation of unfair bidding

[123600]

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bIDDING

E 1S S P W 2D N p E 2H S p W 3C N p E 3H S p W 4nt N p E 5D s p

W 6P

a friendly accusation by both p and opposition is that me W mislead both partner and opposition in my bidding. After a S open i'm immediately thinking slam and must keep making forcing bids( which are weakness for both of us)

E/W use roman key card so my p is always thinking H. i am confident that even if she ( my wife) shows 2 key cards and Q of H i can still go 6 S. when she shows 3 A i go 6 and she makes seven with a finesse. so am i being disingenious in my bidding OR how do you bid to get to at least 6 S. ( a jump to 4 is considered weak

[mikeh]

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North South holdings immaterial

bIDDING

E 1S S P W 2D N p E 2H S p W 3C N p E 3H S p W 4nt N p E 5D s p

W 6P

a friendly accusation by both p and opposition is that me W mislead both partner and opposition in my bidding. After a S open i'm immediately thinking slam and must keep making forcing bids( which are weakness for both of us)

E/W use roman key card so my p is always thinking H. i am confident that even if she ( my wife) shows 2 key cards and Q of H i can still go 6 S. when she shows 3 A i go 6 and she makes seven with a finesse. so am i being disingenious in my bidding OR how do you bid to get to at least 6 S. ( a jump to 4 is considered weak

I assume that you don’t know that, say, 1S 2D 2H 3S is forcing in virtually every natural system with which I’m familiar. I and many others play that the 2D response was already a force to game, but that’s irrelevant to the discussion since clearly you do not play two over one game force.

 

Given that you don’t have any easy way to force, other than changing suits, it’s really just a guessing game

 

I strongly recommend getting hold of an intermediate level book on bidding. Which depends on where you live/play. For example, if you played mostly wit non-experts in the UK,you might want to get a book on Acol. If in NA, I’d suggest learning 2/1 GF, which is the most widely played approach here.,in France, SEF, in Poland Polish club, etc.

 

As it is, your lack of knowledge of what are, to most here, basic concepts makes it difficult to answer your post more constructively.

 

I do agree that it’s appropriate have some slam interest as west, but your approach basically amounted to you taking charge…beyond your 2D bid you basically made it up as you went along, preventing your partner from having any idea what was going on.you got away with it this time bu5 it’s not a good approach to bridge, which is a partnership game.

[AL78]

I assume that you don’t know that, say, 1S 2D 2H 3S is forcing in virtually every natural system with which I’m familiar.

 

Is it? I think it is invitational in Acol. What do you do with a 10-11 count and three card spade support?

[mikeh]

Is it? I think it is invitational in Acol. What do you do with a 10-11 count and three card spade support?

I was careful to say ‘with which I’m familiar’. That rules out Acol…..I know only the very basic outlines, and may well misunderstand important aspects of those.

[smerriman]

Is it? I think it is invitational in Acol. What do you do with a 10-11 count and three card spade support?

I don't know Acol either, but if 3♠ shows that hand, what does 2♠ show?

 

In Standard American, with an invitational hand and 3 spades, you bid 2♠, so there 3♠ is forcing. But maybe this is different in Acol due to 4 card majors.

[cherdano]

I don't know Acol either, but if 3♠ shows that hand, what does 2♠ show?

A hand with probably two spades, good enough to play game opposite a strong NT. So 8-10.

[AL78]

I don't know Acol either, but if 3♠ shows that hand, what does 2♠ show?

 

In Standard American, with an invitational hand and 3 spades, you bid 2♠, so there 3♠ is forcing. But maybe this is different in Acol due to 4 card majors.

 

2♠ will show a minimal 2/1 with two spades, and denying a stop in the fourth suit otherwise you can bid 2NT.

[AL78]

I don't know Acol either, but if 3♠ shows that hand, what does 2♠ show?

 

In Standard American, with an invitational hand and 3 spades, you bid 2♠, so there 3♠ is forcing. But maybe this is different in Acol due to 4 card majors.

 

I'm not familiar with the details of Standard American, so what do you do with a 10-11 count with two spades and no stop in the fourth suit, something like Qx Kxx AQxxx xxx?

[LBengtsson]

...i am confident that even if she ( my wife)...

 

This sort of accusation always happens when playing with a wife or husband :)

[bluenikki]

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North South holdings immaterial

bIDDING

E 1S S P W 2D N p E 2H S p W 3C N p E 3H S p W 4nt N p E 5D s p

W 6P

a friendly accusation by both p and opposition is that me W mislead both partner and opposition in my bidding. After a S open i'm immediately thinking slam and must keep making forcing bids( which are weakness for both of us)

E/W use roman key card so my p is always thinking H. i am confident that even if she ( my wife) shows 2 key cards and Q of H i can still go 6 S. when she shows 3 A i go 6 and she makes seven with a finesse. so am i being disingenious in my bidding OR how do you bid to get to at least 6 S. ( a jump to 4 is considered weak

I can't see what anyone can complain about.

 

In popular methods, where you agree spades as early as possible, you will *not* learn about the heart queen or the diamond king (if partner had it). And partner, if she takes control, will *not* learn about the heart king or the diamond queen.

 

It seems completely appropriate to pretend to agree hearts. (So long as 6♠ is not understood as a grand slam try.)

[peterb001]

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North South holdings immaterial

bIDDING

E 1S S P W 2D N p E 2H S p W 3C N p E 3H S p W 4nt N p E 5D s p

W 6P

a friendly accusation by both p and opposition is that me W mislead both partner and opposition in my bidding. After a S open i'm immediately thinking slam and must keep making forcing bids( which are weakness for both of us)

E/W use roman key card so my p is always thinking H. i am confident that even if she ( my wife) shows 2 key cards and Q of H i can still go 6 S. when she shows 3 A i go 6 and she makes seven with a finesse. so am i being disingenious in my bidding OR how do you bid to get to at least 6 S. ( a jump to 4 is considered weak

 

I also don't think that the bidding is unfair, thought there are probably better ways to approach it.

 

I (and many but not all players) treat the 4th suit forcing bid (3C) as game forcing. So after partner's 3H response, you can just bid 3S to set the suit.

 

Alternatively an initial splinter bid response of 4C (agreeing spades with a shortage in clubs) in response to the 1S is likely to get you to a slam.

 

And lastly, many players use a Jacoby 2NT response to 1 major as a game going hand with 4+ card support (if you are playing 4 card majors), which both puts you in a game forcing situation, and agrees spades as trumps. Not everyone might agree with this approach on this hand (as it's slightly light in high cards), so on this hand I would lean towards the splinter bid.

[Gilithin]

I think your bidding is fine up to 3♣. Since this establishes a game force though, there is no reason not to bid 3♠ over 3♥ to get the auction back on track. Your partner now has a huge hand in context and can make some moves towards the slam. What exactly did the opponents think was cheating? You can bid what you like providing you mislead your partner just as much as you mislead them. I am not seeing any special agreements that you refused to disclose. Either there is more to the story or they are clueless.

[blackshoe]

He said "unfair"; I don't think he said "cheating". Also he was playing with his wife, and I get the impression (possibly wrongly) that it was she who deemed his bidding "unfair", probably because she didn't know what he was trying to show.

[Douglas43]

I agree with glithin's comment about 3♣ followed by 3♠ being a game force. Alternatively, if you want to keep it really simple, you might think about 1♠ - 2♦ - 2♥ - 4♠. That gets the hand off your chest and East with a 4 loser hand will go slamming.

[Vampyr]

And lastly, many players use a Jacoby 2NT response to 1 major as a game going hand with 4+ card support (if you are playing 4 card majors)

Or 5-card majors.