mike777 Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 BW July 2005Playing BWSIMP NV vs. VUl. JT3=J54=J743=KT5 2C=2D2S=? 1) What is your bid and why?2) Whatever your rebid assume partner rebids Diamonds next what is your next rebid and why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 3S for me. Can see a case for 2N but I'll just show my support. If partner bids 4D, i'll bid 4S. My club king is dubious and my hand isnt great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 2NT 4333 I have no better option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 2nt and then 3s over 3d... this should show 3 spades and a flat hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 BW July 2005Playing BWSIMP NV vs. VUl. JT3=J54=J743=KT5 2C=2D2S=? 1) What is your bid and why?2) Whatever your rebid assume partner rebids Diamonds next what is your next rebid and why? 2♠ followed by 4♠ (over Pards ♦bid) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 2NT, stay low, you can show support later... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 Hi, 4S. I have fit, I show my fit, only alternative is 3S,giving partner a chance to look for slam, butthen, I do not really want to encourage him, and 4S does promise a hand containing at least one trick. With kind regardsMarklowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 Hi, 4S. I have fit, I show my fit, only alternative is 3S,giving partner a chance to look for slam, butthen, I do not really want to encourage him, and 4S does promise a hand containing at least one trick. With kind regardsMarklowe Same for me ! (I assumed 2♣ = GF) Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 Hi, 4S. I have fit, I show my fit, only alternative is 3S,giving partner a chance to look for slam, butthen, I do not really want to encourage him, and 4S does promise a hand containing at least one trick. With kind regardsMarklowe Don't you play serious 3NT??? Jumping in GF auctions with an unlimited partner is imo one of the worst things you can do, since you take away lots of bidding space without any propper reason... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 Sorry Frederick but I have a proper reason here, I have a bad 4333 hand so fast arrival applies. (And I know I could have the king less but I really don't like this hand) Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 Hi, 4S. I have fit, I show my fit, only alternative is 3S,giving partner a chance to look for slam, butthen, I do not really want to encourage him, and 4S does promise a hand containing at least one trick. With kind regardsMarklowe Don't you play serious 3NT??? Jumping in GF auctions with an unlimited partner is imo one of the worst things you can do, since you take away lots of bidding space without any propper reason... Hi, I play it, as can be seen in another thread, I even overuse it, at least according to some comments ... The question you have to answer is, do you want to send an encouraging signal regarding slam chances to partner, then bid 3S, if not, 4S. Contrary to joker_gib, I assume 2C as "american style",i.e. forcing, but not necessarily game forcing, but still strongerthan a 2C opener "european style" ("semi-forcing), in otherwords, 2S can be passed.=> 4S shows live, but nothing more, take away the King and a pass may be ok, at least playing matchpoints. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 Ok, I also consider 2♣ as GF... In your case I can understand the jump. When playing 2♣ as GF, imo 3♠ doesn't encourage p for slam, it just sets the fit, and wants to know if p has extra's or not. If he hasn't, he'll bid 3NT, otherwise he'll cuebid. This way you can at least find out if you have suits unstopped before starting with slambidding, even if p has extra's. I don't expect p to start with RKC before cuebids :) When playing 2♣ NOT as GF, then why would 3♠ be stronger than 4♠? Can't it be invitational? B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 When playing 2♣ NOT as GF, then why would 3♠ be stronger than 4♠? Can't it be invitational? B)The question is, which hands would like to stop in 3S?How many are there? With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 OK,1) 2Clubs is not game force2) 2D is game force, shows 1+ controls.BWS Hmm if possible please respond to question 2 as combined with question one focus on main issue with these hand types. Thank you in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifee Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 BW July 2005Playing BWSIMP NV vs. VUl. JT3=J54=J743=KT5 2C=2D2S=? 1) What is your bid and why?2) Whatever your rebid assume partner rebids Diamonds next what is your next rebid and why? 1. I bid 3S, tell partner the good news that we have a fit. IMHO Not good enough for an advanced cue. 2. Partner rebids 4D and I will bid 4S. Even though I have 4 Diamonds, I have none of the top 3 honors. If partner has a true "big 2 suiter," he might rebid 5D to clue me in. At which time I will bid 6D ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 my 3♠ bid (question 2) after the diamond rebid by pard is meant to show the balanced hand with 3 card support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 3♠to a degree a matter of partnership agreement. Did you agree to make a double negative bid first with less than a certain number of "points"? IMO, ye has JTx trump support (a good holding for J-3rd: potential entry), and an outside control. No need to jump to 4♠ on 2nd bid to show support and nothing else: you have something else. If opener wishes more information, all he/she has to do is ask! like: "you got any 8s?"------"No, go fish"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 OK, it seems finding a 4-4 minor fit after finding a 5-3 major fit is still a huge problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 bidding is not generally geared to locating 4-4 minor suit fits after finding a major suit fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 only if slam going :) ... i'd usually rather be in 4/4 minor slam than 5/3 major Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 only if slam going :) ... i'd usually rather be in 4/4 minor slam than 5/3 major well you had a grand in the minor this time. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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