pescetom Posted April 27, 2022 Report Share Posted April 27, 2022 MP [hv=pc=n&w=sq6h94dajcakqj532&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=1c(2%2B%20cards)p1hp]150|225[/hv] Playing a fairly natural 2/1 system with 15-17 1NT.You ignore the temptation to open 2NT (would you?) and bid 1♣ (may be 2 cards in 4432).Partner responds 1♥ (NAT), vulnerable opponents remain silent.Your rebid?Please answer the poll and feel free to comment here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nullve Posted April 27, 2022 Report Share Posted April 27, 2022 Interesting title! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted April 27, 2022 Report Share Posted April 27, 2022 No club bid is adequate. One either fakes a reverse into 2D or bids to the most likely game: 3N. This may be a difficult hand to untangle after the reverse while the 3N needs very little to work out…including reaching higher contracts since partner now has a reasonably good idea of the nature of your hand. So 3N it is.I’d expect 3N to be close to unanimous in a poll of experts, given system constraints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycroft Posted April 27, 2022 Report Share Posted April 27, 2022 Yeah, the only complaint I have about 3NT ("I can take 9 tricks opposite a response based on my club suit, not solely 'cards'") is that I need help from partner on the signposted opening lead. But even xxx might be enough. Swap the pointeds, and I have no qualms. But 3NT it is. Anything else is more of a lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBengtsson Posted April 27, 2022 Report Share Posted April 27, 2022 Partner will know what sort of hand you have rebidding 3NT here. Any other bid is a lie, denying the hands playing trick strength. I would not argue with a beginner or novice rebidding 3♣ here, but the advanced or expert bid should be 3NT imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL78 Posted April 27, 2022 Report Share Posted April 27, 2022 3NT is the bid that stands out to me, and if partner puts down ♠xxx and they cash five off the top, so be it. I'm confident it will be right more often than it's wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted April 27, 2022 Report Share Posted April 27, 2022 3NT. I've never had the opponents run the 1st 5 tricks when I've had this auction. Sometimes the 1st 6 tricks, occasionally the 1st 7 tricks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas43 Posted April 28, 2022 Report Share Posted April 28, 2022 Systemically I play 3NT as solid suit with bits outside. Doesn't guarantee a full stop in both unbid suits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted April 28, 2022 Report Share Posted April 28, 2022 I can't bid 3N directly which we use for a big 4414, but can bid a GF unbal 2N, now if partner doesn't have 7 hearts or 5-5 in the reds or 5-6 in the majors, he will bid 3♣ and I will bid 3N to show this type of hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted April 28, 2022 Report Share Posted April 28, 2022 I voted 3n but I don't think 3c is crazy. If partner passes he may have no quick tricks, or no help in spades, or 4 quick losers in hearts plus one in spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted April 28, 2022 Report Share Posted April 28, 2022 [hv=pc=n&w=sq6h94dajcakqj532&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=1c(2%2B%20cards)P1HP1NP]150|225|pescetom 'MP. Playing a fairly natural 2/1 system with 15-17 1NT. You ignore the temptation to open 2NT. (would you?) and bid 1♣ (may be 2 cards in 4432). Partner responds 1♥ (NAT), vulnerable opponents remain silent.Your rebid? Please answer the poll and feel free to comment here.'+++++++++++++++++++A 1♣ opener is OK because this is seems too strong for a 1N opener. Now I rank rebids as1. 3N = NAT Good clubs, good hand.2. 2♦ = Manufactured reverse.3. 3[Cl = INV Underbid. [/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pescetom Posted April 28, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2022 Interesting title! I was thinking about a quote I once saw, attributed to Geir Helgemo, along the lines of "if it looks like No Trump then it is No Trump" :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pescetom Posted April 28, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2022 Thanks to all who replied.I bid the manufactured 2♦ reverse rather than a more prosaic (albeit sensible) 3NT, partly because I wanted more information and partly because I feared a diamonds lead. I confess that my main reason for posting was to seek confirmation that 3♣ would have been a clear underbid, as I felt but others did not.But it's useful to see how much support 3NT has. FWIW here is the actual layout and auction: [hv=pc=n&w=sq6h94dajcakqj532&n=sat8ha852dqt632c8&e=sk5432hkqt763c97&s=sj97hjdk98754ct64&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=1c(2%2B%20cards)p1hp2dp3nppp]400|300[/hv] Only 12 out of 106 found the diamonds lead on either side (even without the semi-psychic reverse).And only 10 bid and made 4♥ (rank one up to the Norwegians). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted April 28, 2022 Report Share Posted April 28, 2022 Only 12 out of 106 found the diamonds lead (even without the semi-psychic reverse).And only 10 bid and made 4♥ (rank one up to the Norwegians). We bid 1♣-1♥-2N(GF unbal)-3♠(5-6 majors)-4♥ I think. W has already shown a huge hand by bidding this way, and doesn't need to cue with such poor major suit holdings, if a slam is on, E will bid on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted May 1, 2022 Report Share Posted May 1, 2022 [hv=pc=n&w=sq6h94dajcakqj532&n=sat8ha852dqt632c8&e=sk5432hkqt763c97&s=sj97hjdk98754ct64&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=1c(2%2B%20cards)p1hp2dp3nppp]400|300| pescetom' I bid the manufactured 2♦ reverse rather than a more prosaic (albeit sensible) 3NT, partly because I wanted more information and partly because I feared a diamonds lead. I confess that my main reason for posting was to seek confirmation that 3♣ would have been a clear underbid, as I felt but others did not. But it's useful to see how much support 3NT has. FWIW here is the actual layout and auction: Only 12 out of 106 found the diamonds lead on either side (even without the semi-psychic reverse). And only 10 bid and made 4♥ (rank one up to the Norwegians).++++++++++++++++++++After opener'a reverse (e.g. after 1♣ - 1♠ - 2♦ - ?? I like a version of Lebensohl- 2N = PUP request to 3♣ for P/C.- 3 bids = G/F NAT- 2M = N/F (Here, - 2♠ = NAT INV shapely but N/F, so opener might prefer 3/4♥. Over 3♥ responder would bid 4♥[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pescetom Posted May 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2022 +++++++++++++++++++After opener'a reverse (e.g. after 1♣ - 1♠ - 2♦ - ?? I like a version of Lebensohl- 2N = PUP request to 3♣ for P/C.- 3 bids = G/F NAT- 2M = N/F (Here, - 2♠ = NAT INV shapely but N/F, so opener might prefer 3/4♥. Over 3♥ responder would bid 4♥ Our 2NT is similar to the French 'Moderateur' here and any other direct bid by responder except the cheapest rebid of his own suit is game forcing. So 2♤ would be a game force, but in our system it's not well defined whether it is showing or asking spades (it has to be one or the other, there is no need for a generic fourth suit game force). If it is asking for a stop (as I would prefer), then opener will probably repeat clubs and now responder will repeat hearts, leading happily to 4♡. But if it is showing spades then opener is likely to bid 3NT, which is not what I would be looking for as responder. I felt responder would have done better to just bid 3♡ (game forcing) given his hand: if opener bids 3♤ rather than 4♡ then now he can play 3NT with a clear conscience (and K protected).One pair in my club just bid 1♧ 1♡; 3NT 4♡ p, a nice example of natural bidding doing the job well all the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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