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  1. 1. Pls bid:)

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I double, but assuming that we are playing Lebensohl over weak twos this could get tricky. If partner responds 3C (showing some values) I can bid 3D and we should be in fair shape. If partner responds 2NT, relaying to clubs, I am not so happy. Probably he plans to drop me in 3C, which may or may not be good, but if I bid 3D over his presumed weak relay he may well play me for more strength. This is a decent hand, but it needs some cards from partner if we are to go anywhere.

 

Without Lebensohl, I assume that most folks would treat X-3C-3D as being something like this simply because you too often lose spades if you cannot start with a double. Maybe it should be the same with X-2N(Leb)-3D but I am not sure that it is.

 

Anyway, I double and if pard bids a Lebensohl 2NT I bid 3D and pray for restraint. I won't be surprised to find many saying I must bid 3C over the relay to keep things under control.

 

I think I will discuss this with my partner.

 

Ken

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Maybe it's a good idea to play equal level conversion, in which case dbl is fine. Otherwise the choice between dbl and 3 is close. I voted 3 because I can still bid 3 over partner's 3. If the majors had been reversed I would have doubled.
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Maybe it's a good idea to play equal level conversion, in which case dbl is fine. Otherwise the choice between dbl and 3 is close. I voted 3 because I can still bid 3 over partner's 3. If the majors had been reversed I would have doubled.

I would dbl no matter if we play equal level converssion or not.

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Is nice to see 8 votes for double and 8 votes for 3

In italian bridge forum there is the 83% of votes with double and only 1 vote for 3

For me is simple and more costructive bid double, i could always play 2 in this hand, and my p can answer with lebhensol as 3 7 more points.

according to my opinion 3 is a bid little constructive and little conventiente because it hides the quarter of spades and lever many spaces of bid.

 

Bye and tks for votes and posts:))

 

Omero

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Is nice to see 8 votes for double and 8 votes for 3

In italian bridge forum there is the 83% of votes with double and only 1 vote for 3

For me is simple and more costructive bid double, i could always play 2 in this hand, and my p can answer with lebhensol as 3 7 more points.

according to my opinion 3 is a bid little constructive and little conventiente because it hides the quarter of spades and lever many spaces of bid.

 

Bye and tks for votes and posts:))

 

Omero

Double

 

The Italians have been doubling on these hand types for years and winning. I would expect no other bid from them.

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DBL... guess I am an italian at heart...

 

If partner bids 2NT (lebehnshol), I am going to bid 3, and figure I am no worse off than those who bid 3 right away. I know some of you play this as GOSH (good one suited hand = too good for simple overcall), but I play this as equal level conversion. We were under a lot of pressure with 2 and I need to do soemthing. If I rebid 3, of course, over 2NT that would be a gosh. If I have a real gosh hand with diamonds, I must bid 3 now or jump to 4

 

Ben

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3D since ELC was not specified (and I do not play it anyways). If the opps bid 3H, which is likely, I can bid spades. If the opps pass and partner passes, I may have missed spades but I cannot handle club bids from partner if I X. We also miss 5D saves/games etc. My hand is very suitable for offense but surely I can't X and bid FIVE diamonds over a 4H bid. And what will I do when partner bids 5C over their 4H bid. Even ELC does not solve all problems. If I bid 3D and ANYBODY bids I will be MUCH better off than had I Xed. If it goes all pass, I may still be better off.
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3D since ELC was not specified (and I do not play it anyways). If the opps bid 3H, which is likely, I can bid spades. If the opps pass and partner passes, I may have missed spades but I cannot handle club bids from partner if I X. We also miss 5D saves/games etc. My hand is very suitable for offense but surely I can't X and bid FIVE diamonds over a 4H bid. And what will I do when partner bids 5C over their 4H bid. Even ELC does not solve all problems. If I bid 3D and ANYBODY bids I will be MUCH better off than had I Xed. If it goes all pass, I may still be better off.

Ok if this is how you want to play, it is a fine method. But for me, as usual, my opinions in competitive auctions are shaped very much on my understanding of Robson/Segal's methods.

 

Here is what they say about bidding over opponent's opening preempts (see page 205)

 

Two ‘rules’ will allow you to bid effectively in this very troubled area.

 

(1) Don’t double on one-suited hands over preemptive openings. You’re under quite enough pressure when the enemy has preempted, without making matters worse by trying to get too cute on one-suited hands. Just bid your suit. Jump if necessary. (WJOs don’t apply over preempts.)

 

They follow this up with sound advise, that I have some trouble getting others to agree... For instance, in discussing how to keep the bidding flexible, they suggest that the following auction....

 

(2S)-DBL-(Pass)-3D

(Ps)-3H

 

Shows five hearts, no particular diamond fit, and a club suit. This for them is never a GOSH despite it is not Equal level conversion (again on page 205). They recommend should you have such an outstanding hand (which their rule one suggest against), your jump on the suit in the first round.

 

BTW, their second rule deals with when is a double and new suit gosh. They dont' use Equal level conversion exactly.. they play...

 

(2) Over a non-preemptive opening, you only show a GOSH opposite a minimum response, if you make a new-suit bid  that would have been a jump overcall of the opening bid.

 

Thus,

 

(2C*) - DBL - (pass) - 2H   2C = precision

(Pass)- 2S

 

Here, 2S, despite not being an equal level conversion is not GOSH since that is what the overcall would have been if you had called in spades. This just shows diamonds and spades.

 

I find these methods pleasing to my style of bidding. Sadly, only misho and rado seem to play them just as written by Robson. :-(

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Hi,

 

3D.

 

In my partnership, I could bid 2S, followed by a

Diamond bid, which would show longer diamonds

then spades. At least we did agree, to play it that

way, but I never tried it out in the real world.

This style is advocated by Marshall Miles, and I

think, it has merrits.

 

I will not double, because if I hear clubs, I will be

in real trouble.

 

Marlowe

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i believe equal level conversion is assumed when doubling a preempt, since you can jump to show a stronger hand. Also, dbling and bidding your own suit does not show a strong hand. So I always double a heart preempt with this type of hand.
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