omeroj Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 [hv=d=e&v=b&s=saqj3h4daj10963c108]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Est open 2♥: weak with 6+cards and you that play in sud must bid. Omero P.S. Sry for simple hand, but many players have more opinions about this hand:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatrix45 Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 ;) Double seems automatic to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omeroj Posted June 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 This is the right poll, how may i cancel the other poll?Is there an moderator that can cancel it?tks... Omero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ochinko Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 I bid 3H (Michaels). Pass whatever partner bids, unless it's 4C, which I correct to 4D. Petko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 i bid 3♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 I double, but assuming that we are playing Lebensohl over weak twos this could get tricky. If partner responds 3C (showing some values) I can bid 3D and we should be in fair shape. If partner responds 2NT, relaying to clubs, I am not so happy. Probably he plans to drop me in 3C, which may or may not be good, but if I bid 3D over his presumed weak relay he may well play me for more strength. This is a decent hand, but it needs some cards from partner if we are to go anywhere. Without Lebensohl, I assume that most folks would treat X-3C-3D as being something like this simply because you too often lose spades if you cannot start with a double. Maybe it should be the same with X-2N(Leb)-3D but I am not sure that it is. Anyway, I double and if pard bids a Lebensohl 2NT I bid 3D and pray for restraint. I won't be surprised to find many saying I must bid 3C over the relay to keep things under control. I think I will discuss this with my partner. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Pass is an optionSo is 4♦ (5-5 ♦+♠) But I'll just bid a 3♦ this time. Double is ridicoulous IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Maybe it's a good idea to play equal level conversion, in which case dbl is fine. Otherwise the choice between dbl and 3♦ is close. I voted 3♦ because I can still bid 3♠ over partner's 3♥. If the majors had been reversed I would have doubled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 3♦ ! After dbl and lebensohl I have no bid ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Maybe it's a good idea to play equal level conversion, in which case dbl is fine. Otherwise the choice between dbl and 3♦ is close. I voted 3♦ because I can still bid 3♠ over partner's 3♥. If the majors had been reversed I would have doubled. I would dbl no matter if we play equal level converssion or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omeroj Posted June 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Is nice to see 8 votes for double and 8 votes for 3♦In italian bridge forum there is the 83% of votes with double and only 1 vote for 3♦For me is simple and more costructive bid double, i could always play 2♠ in this hand, and my p can answer with lebhensol as 3♣ 7 more points.according to my opinion 3♦ is a bid little constructive and little conventiente because it hides the quarter of spades and lever many spaces of bid. Bye and tks for votes and posts:)) Omero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Oops, I forgot to vote so now it's 9-8 for 3♦ ! LOL :D Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omeroj Posted June 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Very well:)the poll is a lot interesting...13 votes for 3♦ and 13 for double...Who will win? :D :D :P Omero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WXXW Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 [hv=d=e&v=b&s=saqj3h4daj10963c108]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Est open 2♥: weak with 6+cards and you that play in sud must bid. Omero P.S. Sry for simple hand, but many players have more opinions about this hand:) I bid double Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTired Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 X because I have 2♣. If I had only 1♣, I would bid 3♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Is nice to see 8 votes for double and 8 votes for 3♦In italian bridge forum there is the 83% of votes with double and only 1 vote for 3♦For me is simple and more costructive bid double, i could always play 2♠ in this hand, and my p can answer with lebhensol as 3♣ 7 more points.according to my opinion 3♦ is a bid little constructive and little conventiente because it hides the quarter of spades and lever many spaces of bid. Bye and tks for votes and posts:)) Omero Double The Italians have been doubling on these hand types for years and winning. I would expect no other bid from them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 DBL... guess I am an italian at heart... If partner bids 2NT (lebehnshol), I am going to bid 3♦, and figure I am no worse off than those who bid 3♦ right away. I know some of you play this as GOSH (good one suited hand = too good for simple overcall), but I play this as equal level conversion. We were under a lot of pressure with 2♥ and I need to do soemthing. If I rebid 3♠, of course, over 2NT that would be a gosh. If I have a real gosh hand with diamonds, I must bid 3♥ now or jump to 4♦ Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 3D since ELC was not specified (and I do not play it anyways). If the opps bid 3H, which is likely, I can bid spades. If the opps pass and partner passes, I may have missed spades but I cannot handle club bids from partner if I X. We also miss 5D saves/games etc. My hand is very suitable for offense but surely I can't X and bid FIVE diamonds over a 4H bid. And what will I do when partner bids 5C over their 4H bid. Even ELC does not solve all problems. If I bid 3D and ANYBODY bids I will be MUCH better off than had I Xed. If it goes all pass, I may still be better off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 3♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 I voted for 3♦, but could vote for other since actually 'anyting but double' would be my answer, even 2♠ makes more sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 3D since ELC was not specified (and I do not play it anyways). If the opps bid 3H, which is likely, I can bid spades. If the opps pass and partner passes, I may have missed spades but I cannot handle club bids from partner if I X. We also miss 5D saves/games etc. My hand is very suitable for offense but surely I can't X and bid FIVE diamonds over a 4H bid. And what will I do when partner bids 5C over their 4H bid. Even ELC does not solve all problems. If I bid 3D and ANYBODY bids I will be MUCH better off than had I Xed. If it goes all pass, I may still be better off. Ok if this is how you want to play, it is a fine method. But for me, as usual, my opinions in competitive auctions are shaped very much on my understanding of Robson/Segal's methods. Here is what they say about bidding over opponent's opening preempts (see page 205) Two ‘rules’ will allow you to bid effectively in this very troubled area. (1) Don’t double on one-suited hands over preemptive openings. You’re under quite enough pressure when the enemy has preempted, without making matters worse by trying to get too cute on one-suited hands. Just bid your suit. Jump if necessary. (WJOs don’t apply over preempts.) They follow this up with sound advise, that I have some trouble getting others to agree... For instance, in discussing how to keep the bidding flexible, they suggest that the following auction.... (2S)-DBL-(Pass)-3D(Ps)-3H Shows five hearts, no particular diamond fit, and a club suit. This for them is never a GOSH despite it is not Equal level conversion (again on page 205). They recommend should you have such an outstanding hand (which their rule one suggest against), your jump on the suit in the first round. BTW, their second rule deals with when is a double and new suit gosh. They dont' use Equal level conversion exactly.. they play... (2) Over a non-preemptive opening, you only show a GOSH opposite a minimum response, if you make a new-suit bid that would have been a jump overcall of the opening bid. Thus, (2C*) - DBL - (pass) - 2H 2C = precision(Pass)- 2S Here, 2S, despite not being an equal level conversion is not GOSH since that is what the overcall would have been if you had called in spades. This just shows diamonds and spades. I find these methods pleasing to my style of bidding. Sadly, only misho and rado seem to play them just as written by Robson. :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 I double because I like to play equal level conversion. If this was not discussed then I would bid 3D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Hi, 3D. In my partnership, I could bid 2S, followed by aDiamond bid, which would show longer diamonds then spades. At least we did agree, to play it thatway, but I never tried it out in the real world.This style is advocated by Marshall Miles, and I think, it has merrits. I will not double, because if I hear clubs, I will bein real trouble. Marlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omeroj Posted June 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 16 votes for double---18 for 3♦ i thinked that this hand was simple....lol i can see that in the bridge all is difficoult, we can't talk about simple hand, or simple bid:) Omero :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTired Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 i believe equal level conversion is assumed when doubling a preempt, since you can jump to show a stronger hand. Also, dbling and bidding your own suit does not show a strong hand. So I always double a heart preempt with this type of hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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