helene_t Posted February 19, 2022 Report Share Posted February 19, 2022 Solitaire. 1♦-(1♠)-2♣-(pass)2♥is apparently 12-20 HCPs and partner may pass it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilowsky Posted February 19, 2022 Report Share Posted February 19, 2022 In solitaire nobody can hear you scream.That is my experience of how GIB bids also.Is that not how it is typically played? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smerriman Posted February 19, 2022 Report Share Posted February 19, 2022 Having 2♥ non-forcing is fine, but the definition should definitely constrain it to being a minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas43 Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 I suppose it is a hazard of 5cm / strong NT that you may be stuck bidding 2♥ with a weak hand that has 4 hearts, 3 diamonds, no spade stop and inadequate club support. But why on earth would bidding 2♣ not promise another bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 20, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 I suppose it is a hazard of 5cm / strong NT that you may be stuck bidding 2♥ with a weak hand that has 4 hearts, 3 diamonds, no spade stop and inadequate club support. But why on earth would bidding 2♣ not promise another bid?Usually, you will either have a spade stopper or 3-card club support, or your diamonds are AKJT which looks like a 5-card suit. Or partner is a passed hand so you just pass. With xxx-AKQx-Qxxx-Jx I will just have to choose my poison. So I think that 2♥ actually shows extras. But maybe I am wrong. I haven't discussed it seriously with anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smerriman Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 https://www.advinbridge.com/this-week-in-bridge/342 appears to be how GIB is playing it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smerriman Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 But why on earth would bidding 2♣ not promise another bid?Well, even in Bridge World Standard a 2 level freebid doesn't promise another bid - it only forces through to 2 of opener's suit. Unclear whether they play 2♥ as forcing though. It's quite a different situation to say, a SAYC 2/1 without interference, as your natural rebid there may be NT which could be taken away here without a stopper. And opener also has the new option of forcing with 2♠. I might poll to see how others play 2♥ as I don't know what's standard either. Probably forcing but some hands seem tricky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smerriman Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 Well, the polls didn't help clarify anything for me at all. 100% of voters said 2♥ was forcing. Yet the vast majority of voters also voted 2♥ with your xxx-AKQx-Qxxx-Jx hand. And nearly everyone continued with a (surely game-forcing) 2♠ as responder with a minimum 3325. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 And nearly everyone continued with a (surely game-forcing) 2♠ as responder with a minimum 3325.I don't see why 2♠ should be GF (if we aren't in a GF already). It is the cheapest bid available so it makes sense to play it as ostensibly scrambling. Besides, if I want to win the post-mortem I can always say that Ingberman applies here :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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