sandiem Posted February 16, 2022 Report Share Posted February 16, 2022 Is it possible for someone to sign in as invisible under another account and self kibitz an event without anyone knowing?If this is possible, is there anyway of stopping this while still allowing others to watch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted February 18, 2022 Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 If the event allows kibitzing, then there's nothing preventing self-kibitzing. What could we do to stop it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted February 19, 2022 Report Share Posted February 19, 2022 Is it possible for someone to sign in as invisible under another account and self kibitz an event without anyone knowing?If this is possible, is there anyway of stopping this while still allowing others to watch? The kibitzers are visible to the table and to the TD. Even if someone is logged on invisible, you can see them in the list of kibitzers. What can be done to stop it: like Barry says, if the organizers want to ensure security, they should not allow kibitzers. If it's a social game for fun, then it's enjoyable to allow kibs. so it really depends on the type of game. ACBL and BBO "serious" games never allow kibitzers. The social ones or teaching sessions always allow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bri_and Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 The kibitzers are visible to the table and to the TD. Even if someone is logged on invisible, you can see them in the list of kibitzers. What can be done to stop it: like Barry says, if the organizers want to ensure security, they should not allow kibitzers. If it's a social game for fun, then it's enjoyable to allow kibs. so it really depends on the type of game. ACBL and BBO "serious" games never allow kibitzers. The social ones or teaching sessions always allow. A useful start would be to have the list of kibitzers available to each organiser. Perhaps making that list public (along with results ?) may deter a few who are kibitzing for self gain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 A useful start would be to have the list of kibitzers available to each organiser. Perhaps making that list public (along with results ?) may deter a few who are kibitzing for self gain. The list is visible to the organizer. There are no invisible kibitzers. All kibitzers are visible unless they are "yellows", which are either BBO staff or people working for the various bridge organizations who organize games on BBO (for example ACBL helpers for virtual acbl club managers). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pescetom Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 The list is visible to the organizer. I think his idea of making it visible to all has some merit.I understand that there may be privacy issues, as for play, but I suggest kibitzing should be at least as visible as play in myhands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smerriman Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 I think his idea of making it visible to all has some merit.Isn't it already? Anyone can view the list of kibitzers at any table, as Diana already mentioned above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pescetom Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 Isn't it already? Anyone can view the list of kibitzers at any table, as Diana already mentioned above. Can I view the list of kibitzers at the table of the pair who won tournament X yesterday?I can view their results and play in myhands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 The list is visible to the organizer. There are no invisible kibitzers. All kibitzers are visible unless they are "yellows", which are either BBO staff or people working for the various bridge organizations who organize games on BBO (for example ACBL helpers for virtual acbl club managers).Are the yellows and other organizers "captured" as kibitzing particular tables? There was just a case where a top Italian director/official was caught sneaking into the duplication room at a live event, not the same thing as nefarious kibitzing, but comparable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 Are the yellows and other organizers "captured" as kibitzing particular tables? There was just a case where a top Italian director/official was caught sneaking into the duplication room at a live event, not the same thing as nefarious kibitzing, but comparable. It is the bridge organization's responsibility to ensure its employees are reliable... If we find someone is misusing their extra permissions, we take measures but it's not our responsibility to supervise other orgs' employees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted February 25, 2022 Report Share Posted February 25, 2022 It is the bridge organization's responsibility to ensure its employees are reliable... If we find someone is misusing their extra permissions, we take measures but it's not our responsibility to supervise other orgs' employees.All well and good, but why are yellow and other "officials" kibitzing at all and not being recorded as kibitzing? It would be closing a loophole to just show everybody who is kibitzing at all times. If they wanted to be anonymous, they could log in anonymously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted February 25, 2022 Report Share Posted February 25, 2022 Can I view the list of kibitzers at the table of the pair who won tournament X yesterday?I can view their results and play in myhands.No, there's no kibitzer history. You can only see the kibitzers at the current moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted February 25, 2022 Report Share Posted February 25, 2022 All well and good, but why are yellow and other "officials" kibitzing at all and not being recorded as kibitzing? It would be closing a loophole to just show everybody who is kibitzing at all times. If they wanted to be anonymous, they could log in anonymously.I think the intent of this may be to allow monitoring without the players knowing. If you're trying to catch cheaters, you don't want them to be warned that they're under surveillance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 I think the intent of this may be to allow monitoring without the players knowing. If you're trying to catch cheaters, you don't want them to be warned that they're under surveillance.I thought BBO already had access to the IP addresses, bid and play records, timing of bids and plays, alerts, and chat without kibitzing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bri_and Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 No, there's no kibitzer history. You can only see the kibitzers at the current moment. There is an option to set "allow silent kibitzing" - what does this actually allow ? (not mentioned in my club managers manual) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smerriman Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 There is an option to set "allow silent kibitzing" - what does this actually allow ? (not mentioned in my club managers manual)+silentspecs+ means kibitzers can only chat to each other privately, rather than it going to the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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