How to bid this?

[1parastoo]

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[1parastoo]

Ignore this. I'm trying to post a hand.

[smerriman]

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I would have bid the same, I expect, and 3NT doesn't look like a great contract, though I'm sure others can advise on the merits of advancing with 4 spades or whether either player could have upgraded a bit more.

[1parastoo]

Hi,

Thanks for getting this to appear. We talked about it afterwards and nothing indicated to either of us that either one of us had enough points to bid higher.

Mark

[mw64ahw]

As North I would have shown the ♠ (either directly or via 1NT)

 

South can then show support either directly via 2♠ if the1♥ overcall was the minimum partnership agreement or via 2♣ to show a stronger hand.

 

North can now revalue their hand and likely count 5♥ tricks. A game try via 2NT will result in 3♦ and North can then place the contract

[Cyberyeti]

4♠ and 3N are not great contracts, they happen to make with the fortunate lie of the cards.

 

You do need to find the 4-4 spade fit though, much prefer 1♠ to 1N

[apollo1201]

I play 1S by N as forcing, 4+, not denying H support, 8+.

 

S has an easy raise (lacks a few things to cue), and N with AQ in overcaller’s suit is quite happy and could try for game at IMPs (because the rest of the hand is not that exciting), that S would accept.

 

A bad game that makes when picking tight J vs Q and 3 very small.

 

So it is not a big deal to stay out of game for OP, but playing at NTs rather than the 44 S fit means things can be improved.

[pescetom]

I play 1S by N as forcing, 4+, not denying H support, 8+.

Not denying 3+ H support from a passed hand is too much for me, but I agree it should be forcing 4+ and is appropriate here.

[apollo1201]

Not denying 3+ H support from a passed hand is too much for me, but I agree it should be forcing 4+ and is appropriate here.

Had forgotten the initial pass! Yeah, if you have fit, 4S and a max pass, just CB and a partner who wants to play higher than 2H will introduce S that you can raise, should they be 45 in Majors.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

1NT is ok, the alternative option would be 2C, you dont have 3 card support,

but if partner has min, you dont mind playing 2H.

And the 4th 9 can be sold as a stopper, but it is not ideal.

The advantage of 2C is, that it showes a max. passed hand, 1NT could be less.

 

Given you are a passed hand, partner with a min opener will sign of in 2H.

 

Obviously, if you happen to play 1S as promising 4+ and forcing, than this would

be ok as well. But than again you only will end up playing a spade partial.

North is a passed hand, South has a min opener, min opener vs. (at best) inv. hands

should stay low.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe