Echognome Posted June 18, 2005 Report Share Posted June 18, 2005 [hv=d=e&v=b&n=sk87hakj9852d63c4&s=saqj93hq106dkj9ca9]133|200|Scoring: MP1♦(1) - 2♦ (2)2♠ - 3♥4♥ - 4♠ (3)4NT (4) - 5♥ (5)6NT - All Pass[/hv] (1) 17+(2) 4 controls (A = 2, K = 1)(3) 1st or 2nd round control (cannot be shortness in partner's suit)(4) RKCB(5) 2 keycards (for hearts) without the Q We were able to find the top Matchpoint spot of 6NT. Some friends of ours playing a natural system only found game and wanted to know how they should find 6♥. Their auction went: 1♠ - 2♥3♣ - 3♥4♥ - All Pass South manufactured a 3♣ bid which at least had the merit of being GF. We suggested 4♣ would be better if a cuebid. If playing splinters (which they were), then East has a difficult rebid. Also, West is probably worth a try of 4♠ after 4♥, except they are only playing first round controls. Anyone have an auction using natural bidding (I'm assuming the relay bidders won't have much problem) and good judgment that will get you to 6♥ or ideally to 6NT? You are allowed cue-bids, but only 1st round controls on the first round of cue-bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 18, 2005 Report Share Posted June 18, 2005 I assume 2h is not game force and so 3h is not game force? 1s=2h=3nt(18-19)=6nt(heck it is MP not bridge). bid 6nt with 7 card suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted June 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2005 Yes sorry. You are playing Acol (or SAYC for that matter), where 2/1 is not GF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted June 18, 2005 Report Share Posted June 18, 2005 This makes sense. 1S-2H3H-3S*4C*-4H4N*-5H6N* 3S* Key bid. Shows a minimum hand still suitable for slam. Secondary support cue bid - Ax, Kx, Qx or bettter. With good HCP and interest, would instead cue bid 3N.4C* first or second round control. Confirms slam interest.4H no diamond control4N* RKCB for hearts. Guarantees diamond control6N* For his bidding, pard should hold either 6+ hearts or the club King. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 18, 2005 Report Share Posted June 18, 2005 This makes sense. 1S-2H3H-3S*4C*-4H4N*-5H6N* 3S* Key bid. Shows a minimum hand still suitable for slam. Secondary support cue bid - Ax, Kx, Qx or bettter. With good HCP and interest, would instead cue bid 3N.4C* first or second round control. Confirms slam interest.4H no diamond control4N* RKCB for hearts. Guarantees diamond control6N* For his bidding, pard should hold either 6+ hearts or the club King. cannot bid 3H, that can be passed in this system :). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted June 18, 2005 Report Share Posted June 18, 2005 Playing an Acolish type of system I would bid it 1♠ 2♥2NT i 3♥3♠ ii 4♣ ii4♦ ii 4♠ ii4NT iii 5♥ iv6NT i. GF in most modern versions of Acolii. Cue bidsiii RKBiv 2 keycards, no ♥Q Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted June 18, 2005 Report Share Posted June 18, 2005 cannot bid 3H that can be passed in this system Oops. Glad I don't have to bid like this, then. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted June 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2005 Yes. In Acol a 2NT rebid shows 15-17, so after a 2/1 should be GF. I think that would be a decent start. Responder then needs to make sure they get past game. A checkback for 3 card heart support might help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Hi, one possible and reasonable auction playing Acol could be 1S - 2H 3C (1) - 4H (2)4NT (2) - 5H (3)6H (1) I like the suggestion to bid 2NT, although I understand, why it was not bid, Souths sees the fit(2) I dont like 3H, North wants to play 4H, he should bid it(3) RKBC All suits are contolled, playing a no frills system, one has to be bold, if one wants to reach such slams(4) 2 Key Cards Marlowe PS: since after a diamond lead, not unlikely after the auction the slam is only 50%, I would not worry to much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Playing an Acolish type of system I would bid it 1♠ 2♥2NT i 3♥3♠ ii 4♣ ii4♦ ii 4♠ ii4NT iii 5♥ iv6NT i. GF in most modern versions of Acolii. Cue bidsiii RKBiv 2 keycards, no ♥Q EricHopefully you can explain, why you choosed 6NT in contrast to 6H, your 6-3 fit, when partner holds the ace of diamond instead of the ace of heartsand they lead a club.As far as I see, in your auction North does not deny the ace of diamond. Marlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Obvious to rebid in NT IMO, with flat 15 and 4 card support you will bid 4H over 2H so an auction like 1S:2H, 2N:3N, 4H would show extras. Over 2N responder will bid 3H, then there should be no problems reaching slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Playing an Acolish type of system I would bid it 1♠ 2♥2NT i 3♥3♠ ii 4♣ ii4♦ ii 4♠ ii4NT iii 5♥ iv6NT i. GF in most modern versions of Acolii. Cue bidsiii RKBiv 2 keycards, no ♥Q EricHopefully you can explain, why you choosed 6NT in contrast to 6H, your 6-3 fit, when partner holds the ace of diamond instead of the ace of heartsand they lead a club.As far as I see, in your auction North does not deny the ace of diamond. Marlowe You are right in that partner could have ♦A and not ♥A, but the odds are against it. Firstly, the ♥ are much longer than the ♦. Secondly if partner had controls in all the suits he would likely have bid Blackwood himself rather than make the 4♠ cue-bid. Thirdly, with a weakish ♥ suit partner might have chosen a different sequence rather than rebid the ♥ suit. Fourthly, if I bid 6♥ I might have to explain how I went down on a ruff when there are 12 top tricks. I wish I could have been certain tof the keycards partner held, but this is MP and so I went with the odds. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackojack Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Playing an Acolish type of system I would bid it 1♠ 2♥2NT i 3♥3♠ ii 4♣ ii4♦ ii 4♠ ii4NT iii 5♥ iv6NT i. GF in most modern versions of Acolii. Cue bidsiii RKBiv 2 keycards, no ♥Q EricI thought of your auction up to 4NT Eric. Then, I asked myself: Which suit for RKC? It seems to be subtle reasoning for the heart suit: 4S shows the king so 4NT must be more interested in the heart key cards. Would my partner work this out and trust that I had worked it out? Would he/she be confident that I had the heart king? Well I suppose this is the Advanced and Expert-Class bridge :ph34r: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Playing an Acolish type of system I would bid it 1♠ 2♥2NT i 3♥3♠ ii 4♣ ii4♦ ii 4♠ ii4NT iii 5♥ iv6NT i. GF in most modern versions of Acolii. Cue bidsiii RKBiv 2 keycards, no ♥Q EricI thought of your auction up to 4NT Eric. Then, I asked myself: Which suit for RKC? It seems to be subtle reasoning for the heart suit: 4S shows the king so 4NT must be more interested in the heart key cards. Would my partner work this out and trust that I had worked it out? Would he/she be confident that I had the heart king? Well I suppose this is the Advanced and Expert-Class bridge :P 2NT showed a balanced hand (i.e at least some support for all suits), 3♥ stresses the ♥ suit, and a 3♠ cue-bid is a co-operative move towards a ♥ slam. All this makes ♥ the agreed suit for RKB. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackojack Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 If I were opener, I would like to avoid rebidding 2NT with a singleton, but with a 5143 shape poor spades and 15-16HCP this is what I would have to bid. Even with a good spade suit with say S AQJ10x, H x, D KJxx, C Axx would you not still bid 2NT? Playing weak no-trump and not 2/1 I certainly would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 what is wrong with 1spade 4 club (splinter) ? you have nice spade support and the hearts there is no guarentee of a fit, so why look, if 2 hearts is not forcing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 2H IS forcing. Just not game forcing. And a splinter promises 4 trumps, since 1S only promises 4 in Acol. Although all this goes to show what a terrible system Acol is when you have to bid 3C to manufacture a force rather than show support immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 2H IS forcing. Just not game forcing. And a splinter promises 4 trumps, since 1S only promises 4 in Acol. Although all this goes to show what a terrible system Acol is when you have to bid 3C to manufacture a force rather than show support immediately. Acol is fine. But slam bidding is not the strongest part of Acol. Marlowe PS: Due to lack of partners, I started playing 5 card mayors, but as long as I played Acol, I felt ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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