mikl_plkcc Posted November 4, 2021 Report Share Posted November 4, 2021 This is the hand involved: [hv=bbo=y&myhand=M-1748389285-1636031701]399|300[/hv] EW has 25 HCPs, no 8-card fit and 2 stoppers in every suit except ♦ where only 1 stopper is available. Look like a textbook 2-3NT bid?! None makes in double dummy. The par result is 2♦ by the weaker pair on the only trump fit available! This is the full traveller:https://www.bridgebase.com/myhands/hands.php?traveller=79974-1636031701-25321764&username=mikl_plkcc Among all 73 tables, there were only 2 which made a game, and my partner did a great job doubling them holding 5 trumps. The best action by E/W is to double everything N/S bid after the 2♣ opening, but I took the risk in order to hope that my partner would have ♠ to compete, and that they would not be able to double my 2♠ bid for penalty in their system. Otherwise, this hand was doomed by E/W unless their system allowed them to stop at 2♥ or 2NT after opening 2♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted November 4, 2021 Report Share Posted November 4, 2021 There are no entries to West's hand and neither does West have any tricks.If this was euchre East might as well go alone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted November 4, 2021 Report Share Posted November 4, 2021 IMO, east should double to show the big NT type hand. As I play it, 2C would not be bid with a 1444 hand so with a suit-oriented hand a suit would be bid over opponent's bid. As for west, there isn't much reason to think the double should be pulled. I would pass and lead a heart - not the best lead as it turns out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycroft Posted November 4, 2021 Report Share Posted November 4, 2021 "Standard" in the ACBL would be a double by West saying "I have a really bad hand". Depending on agreements, that either says "no A or K (but could be 12 in quacks) or something less (I usually include "no QQ, or 5 high"). Pass shows enough to game force. If it's just "no AK control", East is just in a guess. Partner could have enough to make 4 - or 6! hearts, or 3NT - or she could have this hand. If it's the lower style I prefer, especially at these colours, pass is a good guess. Resulting, but given that partner has 0-?, I'd double as East and take the points. Hope it's -2 and we don't have slam. But I can see why you would bid. If I did bid, it would be 2NT, though - that heart suit isn't really great, knowing that partner is kind of priced into raising you (is 3♠ "asking for a stopper"? or good heart raise? Because partner isn't bidding 3NT here!) Yes, on another hand we're in 3NT off a bunch of diamond tricks when partner has ♥Txx and something and I look a little silly. But that's why people overcall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikl_plkcc Posted November 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 IMO, east should double to show the big NT type hand. As I play it, 2C would not be bid with a 1444 hand so with a suit-oriented hand a suit would be bid over opponent's bid. As for west, there isn't much reason to think the double should be pulled. I would pass and lead a heart - not the best lead as it turns out. So you play an agreement that, after interruption, X rebid after 2♣ opening isn't a takeout double? And how do you bid with 1444 hand with 23+ points? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidKok Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 Some people use a multi or transfer preempt and include some strong offshape hands. Worrying about 1444's is a sucker's game. Just accept you can't show strong hands with that shape, and find the smallest lie when you are dealt one. Showing the most frequent (balanced, stronger than 2NT) hand type unambiguously is much more important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 Could be worse, I can visualise 2♣-2♠-X(bust)-P-P-P for the only making game on the board (if partner's bust was 2155 you were potentially getting quite rich) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 So you play an agreement that, after interruption, X rebid after 2♣ opening isn't a takeout double? And how do you bid with 1444 hand with 23+ points?I open 1 of something If must open 2C I treat it as a NT hand I play a standard treatment where pass by responder is cards and double shows weakness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 Could be worse, I can visualise 2♣-2♠-X(bust)-P-P-P for the only making game on the board (if partner's bust was 2155 you were potentially getting quite rich)I think 2Sx goes down on optimal defense as declarer keeps getting forced in hearts promoting a third trump trick for EW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilithin Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 Most good pairs would X 2♠ on the West hand to show weakness. But most social pairs have no idea how to bid after interference of their strong, artificial 2m opening, so interference works remarkably well; move up the ladder a couple of rungs and things change a little. NV it would be quite reasonable to overcall 3♠ with the South hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 I think 2Sx goes down on optimal defense as declarer keeps getting forced in hearts promoting a third trump trick for EW True, but the small hand has to lead a heart blind, which they might do but it's far from certain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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