Would you consider slam here

[thepossum]

I thought it looked quite possible but didn't proceed

 

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2s Michaels

4h forcing

4s not particularly strong, felt like signoff

 

Sorry about not using hand editor. Trying to edit manually on my phone

 

Also from memory I think I couldn't find a splinter after Michaels

[TylerE]

I wouldn 't just consider it, I'd insist upon it.

 

I don't like 4♥, anyway.

 

Why not just start with a natural, forcing, 3c?

[thepossum]

I wouldn 't just consider it, I'd insist upon it.

 

I don't like 4♥, anyway.

 

Why not just start with a natural, forcing, 3c?

 

Ok thanks. I need to recheck the bidding options. I was struggling finding the right forcing bid initially. I should have proceeded with slam investigation but somehow managed to think my way out of doing it. I did my basic counting up losers with a nice fit and for some reason chickened out. I had even considered just bidding 6. Oops just noticed it isnt a splinter hand anyway but the Michaels threw me

 

EDIT Just tried in the bidding table and despite weird interface glitches and odd behaviour it appears that 3C over the Michaels wouldn't be forcing under their system. But I can't see anything properly in the display so who knows what I'm bidding. EDIT - reloaded the hand and 4C is the forcing club bid but doesnt promise support

 

EDIT 2 I remember I considered a penalty double. I decided against a simple limit raise cue bid so went for a jump cue

[mw64ahw]

Worth a shot with South's modified loosing trick count being 4.5 opposite at worst 8 giving an expected bidding level of 6.5.

[thepossum]

Thanks. I should have proceeded but the Michaels threw me in terms of point estimates and bidding options. But I should have gone for it. Its actually a double slam option hand

[thepossum]

Further notes

 

If you bid clubs you will get a club game bid from opener

If you bid Blackwood you get two keycards and void (Spades slam)

[TylerE]

t appears that 3C over the Michaels wouldn't be forcing under their system. But I can't see anything properly in the display so who knows what I'm bidding. EDIT - reloaded the hand and 4C is the forcing club bid but doesnt promise support

 

Then you should have said you were playing GIB, not bridge. Any resemblance between the two is coincidental.

[smerriman]

Normally 3♣ is played as nonforcing whether it's GIB or not; if you have a strong hand without a fit, you start with a double. (ref 1 ref 2 ref 3).

 

I'd just start by preserving bidding space and showing the spade fit with 3♥. You want to go past game regardless - you could easily be making 13 tricks even if partner has a 10 count. (Though with GIB's limited tools, you'll end up having to gamble).

[thepossum]

Then you should have said you were playing GIB, not bridge. Any resemblance between the two is coincidental.

 

Sorry, I forgot Tyler :lol:

[thepossum]

Normally 3♣ is played as nonforcing whether it's GIB or not; if you have a strong hand without a fit, you start with a double. (ref 1 ref 2 ref 3).

 

I'd just start by preserving bidding space and showing the spade fit with 3♥. You want to go past game regardless - you could easily be making 13 tricks even if partner has a 10 count. (Though with GIB's limited tools, you'll end up having to gamble).

 

I looked at 3H but its description was far too weak :)

[smerriman]

I looked at 3H but its description was far too weak :)

3♥ is unlimited (10+). That's all you need to show for the time being - you'll have another chance to bid later.

[thepossum]

3♥ is unlimited (10+). That's all you need to show for the time being - you'll have another chance to bid later.

 

ok. I'm always a bit nervous being passed if I underbid (or dont force) with GiB. Of course there are risks the other way

 

The GiB description was a limit bid with 3 spades - edit sorry it is limit or better

[thepossum]

Sorry this is the wonderful fit you see when dummy goes down. Also I had considered that sitting over the hearts strenghtened my hand somewhat

 

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PS As for the heart options I keep checking. One is 10+ points limit bid and one is 13+ points limit bid :rolleyes:

[DavidKok]

This all seems quite confusing. I've heard people mention 'limit' in the context of Bergen raises - '3♣ limit 6-9, 3♦ constructive 9-11'. I always through that traditionally 1♠-3♠ (9-11) was called a 'limit raise'. And now GIB introduces '10+ limit' and '13+ limit', defying all this.

 

I don't much love the options GIB hands you (I would play 3♣ GF and 4♣ fitbid, hands with only competitive values in clubs begin with a double) but within those constraints 3♥, intending to rebid 4♣ if partner signs off in 3♠, should describe your hand nicely. The good news is that the opponents probably don't have a big heart stack (since you have good hearts) and their minor is concealed, so they are probably unable to find their diamond fit over 3♥.

[thepossum]

I could be misrepresenting the bid options and labels but I get confused by "limit bid or better" when I see it. I wanted something stronger than 10+ points

 

If you bid clubs you will find the club fit with GiB and hope to find the grand

 

I was upset at not bidding 6S straight away

[DavidKok]

I think a direct 6♠ is a terrible bid. Then again, you're playing GIB, not bridge.

[thepossum]

That's fine. At least I didn't bid. I meant after 4S. With GiB I often feel I'm being left in too low a contract or if you push too hard you end up in a crazy unmakeable grand

 

If you try Blackwood you get 5NT response so what's the point?

 

Two people reached slam. One cue bid their diamond void. One via Blackwood

 

Nobody found club slam

[hrothgar]

Few quick thoughts

 

You prety much know that the

 

1. Michaels bidder has Hearts and Diamonds

2. Whatever trump suit that you play in won't break well

3. The opponent's Diamond honors aren't pulling their weight

 

I would try to look for the club slam just because this should work out better if the trump suit doesn't behave. Yes, it would be nice to ruff Diamonds with flow spades, but I still think that clubs rates to be better

[pescetom]

The GiB description was a limit bid with 3 spades - edit sorry it is limit or better

It should say 'forcing' or 'unlimited', the minimum strength (10+ or whatever) is just a consequence of that.

[thepossum]

Thanks for everyone's comments. Apologies if my recollections over the bidding options were a bit inaccurate

 

I keep looking at that hand and wondering how I missed both of the available slams :(

[Douglas43]

You were clearly constrained by the system. It does seem odd that after two-suited intervention it prioritises a gadget for showing different types of fit at over the ability to introduce a new suit.