ManUtdNZ Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 West is the dealer playing Meckwell Lite. NS VUL EW NV. Playing IMPS. [hv=pc=n&w=s8642haj98dcaqj86&e=sakq9hk76543dq8ct]266|100[/hv] West bids 2D and North overcalls 3D. West has shown 11-15 HCP and 4=4=1=5 less one card. But for the overcall, bidding the shape to 7♥ isn't a problem. My questions are:a) What are the options available to East to progress the hand to a slam? B) Is there any way for West to show his void during the upcoming bidding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted August 24, 2021 Report Share Posted August 24, 2021 West is the dealer playing Meckwell Lite. NS VUL EW NV. Playing IMPS. [hv=pc=n&w=s8642haj98dcaqj86&e=sakq9hk76543dq8ct]266|100[/hv] West bids 2D and North overcalls 3D. West has shown 11-15 HCP and 4=4=1=5 less one card. But for the overcall, bidding the shape to 7♥ isn't a problem. My questions are:a) What are the options available to East to progress the hand to a slam? B) Is there any way for West to show his void during the upcoming bidding? It's hard to answer without knowing what south bids. So far, we have 2D-3D-3H-P? 4D4D would confirm hearts and should show first-round control because of the limited range of opening. I would think Keycard over 4D would be the right bid. Response would show 2 and a void. East can bid grand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManUtdNZ Posted August 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2021 It's hard to answer without knowing what south bids. So far, we have 2D-3D-3H-P? 4D4D would confirm hearts and should show first-round control because of the limited range of opening. I would think Keycard over 4D would be the right bid. Response would show 2 and a void. East can bid grand. Sorry, hands in full are as shown:[hv=pc=n&s=s53ht2da632ck7532&w=s8642haj98dcaqj86&n=sjt7hqdkjt9754c94&e=sakq9hk76543dq8ct&d=w&v=0&b=8&a=2d3d]399|300[/hv] It would be nice to know that 3♥ was a forcing bid. I'd have thought invitational in which case game might not even be reached on some hands. However, I'm no expert. A raise to 4♦ over 3♥ by East gives West the freedom to show his void and the path to 7♥. I'm struggling to think of a GF bid apart from 4N and that seems ugly. Hence, I believe your 3♥ bid is the only solution. Many thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBengtsson Posted August 24, 2021 Report Share Posted August 24, 2021 after 2♦ - (3♦) - ??? I would have thought X shows East hand not 3♥. 3♥ says competitive, just only invitational imo. I would be happy finding 6♥ with opps. bidding also here. I played Precision but not Meckwell Lite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted August 24, 2021 Report Share Posted August 24, 2021 after 2♦ - (3♦) - ??? I would have thought X shows East hand not 3♥. 3♥ says competitive, just only invitational imo. I would be happy finding 6♥ with opps. bidding also here. I played Precision but not Meckwell Lite Opposite a hand with pretty tightly defined range and shape, I would expect X to be for penalties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManUtdNZ Posted August 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2021 Hi FolksThanks for your thoughts. In general, after 2D-(3D), East has options apart from Pass: X: Penalty or asking for West to pick a 4 card M? If the latter, West can show Max and 4=4=0=5 with a 3N bid with this hand. Also, if not a penalty X, 3H would be GF surely.3H: Is it INVIT and therefore could be passed or GF? If the latter, West can show 4=4=0=5 with a 3N bid - any strength - with this hand.4D: Has to be asking for a 4 card M. Don't see the point East choosing this option with a known 9-10 card fit in H with this hand. So, my brain is straining to find a suitable, logical and sensible structure. Giving up the penalty X feels like the lesser of two evils. I ask myself how often would I be in a position to take down 3D and profit by it in comparison to being in a part score / game. However, I'm happy to submit to wiser points of view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted August 24, 2021 Report Share Posted August 24, 2021 Hi FolksThanks for your thoughts. In general, after 2D-(3D), East has options apart from Pass: X: Penalty or asking for West to pick a 4 card M? If the latter, West can show Max and 4=4=0=5 with a 3N bid with this hand. Also, if not a penalty X, 3H would be GF surely.3H: Is it INVIT and therefore could be passed or GF? If the latter, West can show 4=4=0=5 with a 3N bid - any strength - with this hand.4D: Has to be asking for a 4 card M. Don't see the point East choosing this option with a known 9-10 card fit in H with this hand. So, my brain is straining to find a suitable, logical and sensible structure. Giving up the penalty X feels like the lesser of two evils. I ask myself how often would I be in a position to take down 3D and profit by it in comparison to being in a part score / game. However, I'm happy to submit to wiser points of view. Isn’t opener’s shape known? If so, there is no need for a negative double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akwoo Posted August 25, 2021 Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 I think the choice is between double being penalty and double being relay. It's possible the optimal choice depends on vulnerability, but I think no one wants that memory load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManUtdNZ Posted August 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2021 HiIn regard to opener's shape. We know it is 4=4=1=5 [ which is 14 cards ] less 1. So opener could only have one 4 card major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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