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  1. 1. What does 2Sp mean?

    • Minimum, 4-4 majors
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    • Minimum, 4-5 majors
      0
    • Minimum, 4-(4 or 5) majors
      0
    • Values but nf, 4-4 majors
      0
    • Values but nf, 4-5 majors
      1
    • Values but nf, 4-(4 or 5) majors
      1
    • Forcing, 4-4 majors
      0
    • Forcing, 4-5 majors
      5
    • Forcing, 4-(4 or 5) majors
      1
    • Other
      2
    • I don't understand this poll
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(1m)----x---(pass)-1

(pass)-1NT-(pass)-2

 

What is 2 most commonly played as by theory-aware tournament players, using mainstream methods (so not something with Power Doubles, Herbert Negative, transfer advances or stuff that affects the 1NT range such a raptor)?

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In more than 40 years of playing, albeit with some long breaks, I’ve never seen this auction, so I am not answering based on experience

 

However, bridge logic suggests it has to be forcing, and the same logic suggests 4-5 majors

 

Partner has shown 18+ to 20 hcp.

 

He hasn't promised 4 spades so 2S will often force him to bid, since he can’t really pass with fewer than 4 spades.

 

We would/should respond 1S with 4=4 or 5=5 majors, even with a Yarborough since we need to cater to partner bidding 1N or cuebidding.

 

So we have 4-5 majors and enough to be comfortable forcing to at least 2N even if we have no fit. Therefore we have to be strong enough to handle a non-fit auction so we should be forcing opposite a fit.

 

Plus, if we are 4=5 majors with, say, 6-7 hcp we need to force to game but we also need to show our shape

 

Meanwhile, if we have a very weak hand, we pass 1N or bid 2H.

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In more than 40 years of playing, albeit with some long breaks, I’ve never seen this auction, so I am not answering based on experience

 

However, bridge logic suggests it has to be forcing, and the same logic suggests 4-5 majors

 

Partner has shown 18+ to 20 hcp.

 

He hasn't promised 4 spades so 2S will often force him to bid, since he can’t really pass with fewer than 4 spades.

 

We would/should respond 1S with 4=4 or 5=5 majors, even with a Yarborough since we need to cater to partner bidding 1N or cuebidding.

 

So we have 4-5 majors and enough to be comfortable forcing to at least 2N even if we have no fit. Therefore we have to be strong enough to handle a non-fit auction so we should be forcing opposite a fit.

 

Plus, if we are 4=5 majors with, say, 6-7 hcp we need to force to game but we also need to show our shape

 

Meanwhile, if we have a very weak hand, we pass 1N or bid 2H.

 

4-6 2 or 3 count ? prepared to play 3 if no spade fit would be about the only possibility for a NF bid, but I agree, probably more useful as forcing unless you play an artificial 2 of opener's minor here for the GF hand.

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Could it be 6-5 in the majors, looking for game in the best fit?

This is unlikely - such a hand would almost certainly have done more the previous round.

 

I play mostly IMPs, where you sometimes sacrifice precision in partscores in exchange for improved chances of finding the right game. This looks like a place to apply that principle, and I would expect 4-5 in the majors and some modest values (basically, what mikeh said). There may be an argument for different principles to apply at MPs, but I would expect this understanding to be fairly standard.

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[hv=d=w&v=0&b=8&a=1cdp1hp1np2s]133|100| Helene_T 'What is 2 most commonly played as by theory-aware tournament players, using mainstream methods (so not something with Power Doubles, Herbert Negative, transfer advances or stuff that affects the 1NT range such a raptor)?'

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After partner's 1N rebid, 2 seems natural, constructive, but non-forcing with 4 s and longer s.

(Assuming that a cue-bid would show a better hand).[/hv]

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