pilowsky Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 [hv=lin=st||pn|Unfortunate,Robot,Robot,Robot|md|2SKT3HA873DAKTCA43,SQJ64HKQJDQ853C85,SA87HT5D764CKQJ97,S952H9642DJ92CT62|sv|o|rh||ah|Board%200|mb|P|mb|P|mb|P|mb|1C|an|3+%20%E2%99%A3;%2011-21|mb|D|an|Takeout%20double%20--%202-%E2%99%A3;%202-5%20%E2%99%A6%20%E2%99%A5%20%E2%99%A0;%2011-%20H|mb|2N|an|Truscott|mb|P|mb|4N|an|Bwood%20%E2%99%A3%20%27s|mb|P|mb|5S|mb|P|mb|6C|mb|P|mb|P|mb|P|]300|300| Is this something new in (under) the hood?This happened to another player in an ACBL robot IMP's tournament this morning.I cannot find any reference to Truscott - or his friend Jordan - being used after opening 1 minor.[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Tu Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 Yes, Truscott is a common agreement over minors also. Truscott claimed this sequence as his in his bidding dictionary book with reference to a prior Bridge World article so I'm inclined to believe him. But it's up to partnership agreement. Personally I don't think this is theoretically best, as over a minor raise you frequently want to play in 3nt (as opposed to when the major is raised, when you almost never play in 3nt), and if 2nt bidder has a distributional limit raise this can wrong-side stoppers in a critical suit. With my partners who can stand the memory load, I prefer to play 2nt as natural invitational, and use jump-shift in the other minor as the limit-or-better raise (aka criss-cross raise after double). But I have a bunch of partners who have limited memory so still play 2nt LR+ with them. "Unfortunate" on this board overbid. Flat 18 opposite 10-11 is 28-29 range, not quite enough to seriously consider looking for slam. Need more shape for that. It should be an obvious 3nt this hand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilowsky Posted June 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 [hv=lin=st||pn|pilowsky,~~M30835,~~M30833,~~M30834|md|2SKT3HA873DAKTCA43,SQJ64HKQJDQ853C85,SA87HT5D764CKQJ97,S952H9642DJ92CT62|sv|o|rh||ah|Board%208|mb|P|mb|P|mb|P|mb|1N|an|notrump%20opener.%20Could%20have%205M.%20--%202-5%20!C;%202-5%20!D;%202-5%20!H;%202-5%20!S;%2015-|mb|P|mb|3N|an|2-5%20!C;%202-5%20!D;%202-4%20!H;%202-4%20!S;%2010-11%20HCP;%2012-%20total%20points%20|mb|P|mb|P|mb|P|pc|HK|pc|H5|pc|H2|pc|H3|pc|HQ|pc|HT|pc|H6|pc|H7|pc|HJ|pc|S7|pc|H4|pc|HA|pc|CA|pc|C8|pc|C7|pc|C2|pc|C4|pc|C5|pc|CK|pc|C6|pc|CQ|pc|CT|pc|C3|pc|D8|pc|CJ|pc|S2|pc|H8|pc|S6|pc|C9|pc|H9|pc|S3|pc|S4|pc|SA|pc|S5|pc|ST|pc|SJ|pc|S8|pc|S9|pc|SK|pc|SQ|pc|DA|pc|D5|pc|D4|pc|D2|pc|DK|pc|D3|pc|D6|pc|D9|pc|DT|pc|DQ|pc|D7|pc|DJ|]300|300|Thanks - Mr Google failed to come up with that possibility.I had a somewhat easier time of it.[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 "Unfortunate" on this board overbid. Flat 18 opposite 10-11 is 28-29 range, not quite enough to seriously consider looking for slam. Need more shape for that. It should be an obvious 3nt this hand.Opposite a passed hand slam is likely poor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Tu Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 Thanks - Mr Google failed to come up with that possibility.I had a somewhat easier time of it. Opening a 15-17 NT on an 18 count with all aces and kings and two tens to boot isn't a good idea either, in the long run. You'll miss a lot of good games and the occasional slam (opposite an unpassed hand). "Unfortunate" was overbidding by about a K, you were underbidding by about a Q. You just happened to catch a responder where your underbid turned out to be in the range where it didn't end up mattering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycroft Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 Well, I play flip-flop (and hope to remember it), for specifically this hand, where I want opener to play 3NT and doubler to be on lead. But apart from that, yes, it's common to the point of being something I would expect opposite a random partner. The other brother you might look for is "Dormer". I *think* originally Dormer was for the minors, Trustcott was majors; but I wasn't playing bridge at that time, and it doesn't matter anyway (except to purists). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas43 Posted June 25, 2021 Report Share Posted June 25, 2021 With my regular partner 2NT is always a raise over all 4 suits. Jacoby by an un-passed hand against silent opponents, Truscott (or whoever) by a passed hand or after competition. But we do play 4cM and 4cm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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