3154 Awkward

[jillybean]

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As if this hand isn't difficult enough already, you are playing with a pickup partner with time for only minimal discussion before the game.

 

5 card majors, 12-14 nt, 4C gerber, 04,1,2,3 (4nt ace ask if you have gone past 4C)

2C strong, 2D 0-6, all other bids positive.

 

What is your plan? Choose your opening bid and then check below.

 

 

If you open 1♦, partner responds with 1♥, now what?

 

[shyams]

I open 1♦

 

The follow-up: 3♣. I guess I am very basic; after deciding on my 3♣ rebid, I thought about both 2NT and (a weird) 2♠. I don't like either enough to overturn my first choice of 3♣

[pilowsky]

2NT

[paulg]

My plan is to open 1♦ and rebid 3♣ over a 1M response. I don't like making a jump rebid when only 54 but this hand is easily strong enough to cope.

[nullve]

A perfect hand for 1♦-1M/N; 3♣.

[AL78]

I go with the majority opening 1♦ followed by 3♣ if partner bids a major.

[mw64ahw]

After the following responses to 1♦

 

1♥-3NT in case responder is xxxx KQxx xx xxxx & passes 3♣. Partner can use Gerber if max.

1♠-is it a 4/5+ suit?.

1NT-3♣

[sfi]

Yeah, 3C. Anything else is just kind of odd.

[Winstonm]

1D then 3C.

[LBengtsson]

3154 awkward, yes jillybean! as I said a few posts back, especially if 3154 with 5m4m. it would be good to have 1♦ - 1M/1NT - 2♣ as forcing here to save space but we all know it aint. (not for me.) so, I agree with many others that only option is 1♦ - 1♥ -3♣

[kenberg]

1D opening.

 

If partner bids 1H I now vid 3C, surely forcing to game.

 

If partner, over 3C, rebids 3H I bid 3NT. That should be clear enough. Possibly it would be better to bid 3S over 3H in case it is better to play 3NT from his side but I am not so sure that this would be understood.

If, over my 3C, partner bids 3D, I bid 3S. This should be clear enough. Or so I hope.

 

there are other possibilities, for example partner might raise 3C to 4C. So I bid 4S.

 

The overall plan is: If partner responds then I force to game. I show my second suit, then I show I have spade values. Then it's up to pard, or at least largely up to pard.

 

It's a pick-up pard. If he doesn't think my 3C rebid over 1H is a game force I can't help that.

[mikeh]

anything but 1D then 3C over any 1-level response is overthinking the hand. Kenberg (welcome back...I don’t think I’ve seen your voice of reason for a long time) nailed it

[jillybean]

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South leads a spade and never gets back in. Needless to say my auction was nothing like this but started 1♦ 1♥ 4♣ Gerber

 

Welcome back Kenberg :)

[jillybean]

 

If partner, over 3C, rebids 3H I bid 3NT. That should be clear enough. Possibly it would be better to bid 3S over 3H in case it is better to play 3NT from his side but I am not so sure that this would be understood.

 

1♦ 1♥ 3♣ 3♥ 3♠ - how does this work?

[mw64ahw]

1♦ 1♥ 3♣ 3♥ 3♠ - how does this work?

1♦-1♥-3NT is all that is needed given East's 3154 & strength. Why provide information that could be useful to the opponents?

 

Max with 7+♥ & self-sustaining suit West takes it to 4♠ Kickback

Max uses Gerber/Quantitative

[Cyberyeti]

1♦-1♥-3NT is all that is needed given East's 3154 & strength. Why provide information that could be useful to the opponents?

 

 

Because 1♦-1♥-3N means something else to 90% of people including a much longer diamond suit and less HCP

[mycroft]

1♦-1♥; 3NT shows something like AQx x AKJTxx Axx - a hand that can make 3NT by running the diamonds, assuming you have something useful. However, if you're playing it the way you plan, doesn't KQxxxx and out bid 4♥, hoping for 2? or does 3NT guarantee a singleton because you didn't open on the NT ladder - in which case, does west bid 4♥ "my hand is useless in NT, maybe this makes losing 2 or 3 trump tricks"?

 

Of course, on this hand the hearts are 5=1 and the diamonds are 3=3. If the red suits were swapped, 3NT would look a lot sillier compared to 4♥...

 

1♦-1♥; 3♣ like everyone else. Partner has a good idea what we have and what we are looking for in their hand.

 

Note, those who play WJS m-M have a pretty textbook 1♦-2♥ here "no interest in game unless you're strong *and* can use my hearts, because I have nothing else." Again, bad on the 3=3 diamond break, but still.

 

I'm actually more interested in 1♦-1♠. 3♣ takes up a lot of room potentially needed to find the 5-3 spade fit, but I don't see anything else working.

[Winstonm]

1♦-1♥-3NT is all that is needed given East's 3154 & strength. Why provide information that could be useful to the opponents?

 

Max with 7+♥ & self-sustaining suit West takes it to 4♠ Kickback

Max uses Gerber/Quantitative

 

Where I learned to play the 3N in this sequence is a trick-showing bid not particularly a strength-showing bid. In fact, bidding 3N with this particular hand would be a good way to end up playing 6D in a 5-1 fit as the bid to many (most?) would mean a self-sustaining diamond suit.

[kenberg]

1♦ 1♥ 3♣ 3♥ 3♠ - how does this work?

 

The problem is that I don't know. Might it be taken to show a hand where the majors are AKx in hearts and a stiff spade?

Playing with a pick-up, and for that matter playing with a non-pick-up, I think it is best if bids show values in the bid suit unless there is some clear understanding to the contrary.So 3S shows spades. Very sensible.

But bidding 3NT over 3H must also be something in spades and a lack of enthusiasm for hearts, and that's what I have.

If 3S would have worked better I then say mean culpa and we go on to the next hand.

Not as dramatic as one of my favorite bridge stories:

After a bad result and an ongoing lecture from the male side of the table the female side promised to kill herself tomorrow but suggested that for now they go on to the next hand.

[Stephen Tu]

1♦-1♥-3NT is all that is needed given East's 3154 & strength. Why provide information that could be useful to the opponents?

Because 1H is unlimited and we can have slam. 3nt makes finding club slams a lot harder and also completely mis-describes hand to partner (as others said, long running diamonds + stoppers is the assumption). This will cause problems a lot more often than the minor information leakage will be fatal to 3nt.

[Stephen Tu]

1♦ 1♥ 3♣ 3♥ 3♠ - how does this work?

 

For me, if you have a spade stopper and want to suggest 3nt as a contract you just bid 3nt, as you should with the given hand. Therefore 3S denies a spade stopper, keeps 3nt in the picture, and caters to partner bidding long hearts holding a spade stopper also, since partner didn't really have a bid to show both earlier. So this might be something more like Jx x AKQxxx AKQx.

 

[mw64ahw]

Because 1♦-1♥-3N means something else to 90% of people including a much longer diamond suit and less HCP

I live and learn. My 1♥ reply is limited.

[jillybean]

The problem is that I don't know. Might it be taken to show a hand where the majors are AKx in hearts and a stiff spade?

Playing with a pick-up, and for that matter playing with a non-pick-up, I think it is best if bids show values in the bid suit unless there is some clear understanding to the contrary.So 3S shows spades. Very sensible.

But bidding 3NT over 3H must also be something in spades and a lack of enthusiasm for hearts, and that's what I have.

If 3S would have worked better I then say mean culpa and we go on to the next hand.

Not as dramatic as one of my favorite bridge stories:

After a bad result and an ongoing lecture from the male side of the table the female side promised to kill herself tomorrow but suggested that for now they go on to the next hand.

It is very sensible for bids to show values in the suit, unless agreed otherwise. I'm so conditioned to believing this bid asks for a stopper, shows a part stopper, that I would not use it in this sequence with a pickup, or non pickup. If you can play 3♠ here as showing, and partners hand is unsuitable for nt are you hoping for a minor slam?

 

I will pass on your bridge story to one of my long suffering bridge friends.

 

Here's the entire auction.

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The actual hand did have a happy ending after North cashed the ♥A and continued hearts.

We are meeting later to discuss the hands and I may suggest we remove the 4♣ card from the bidding box.

[Winstonm]

It is very sensible for bids to show values in the suit, unless agreed otherwise. I'm so conditioned to believing this bid asks for a stopper, shows a part stopper, that I would not use it in this sequence with a pickup, or non pickup. If you can play 3♠ here as showing, and partners hand is unsuitable for nt are you hoping for a minor slam?

 

I will pass on your bridge story to one of my long suffering bridge friends.

 

Here's the entire auction.

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The actual hand did have a happy ending after North cashed the ♥A and continued hearts.

We are meeting later to discuss the hands and I may suggest we remove the 4♣ card from the bidding box.

You may also gently explain that exuberance isn’t found in the bidding box

[mikeh]

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South leads a spade and never gets back in. Needless to say my auction was nothing like this but started 1♦ 1♥ 4♣ Gerber

 

Welcome back Kenberg :)

Surely 4C over 1H is played by the vast major players as a splinter?

 

I did once play it as showing a hand with 4H and 6D very strong, with 1D 1H 4D as the same shape but a little weaker. I think that was in one of Hardy’s 2/1 books, but I think it a poor method...better than Gerber, I suppose...damning it with faint praise😃