Blofeld Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=s7hkjt54dkqj94cj4]133|100|Scoring: MP 1♥ (3♣) 3♠ (P) ?Playing Acol, and 3♠ is forcing.Opponents intermediate ; LHO slightly aggressive, RHO more conservative.[/hv]I think I may have made a bad decision. What do people think of the 3NT and 4♦ bids? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 3NT is a matchpoint kind of bid. Stopper? Who needs a stopper. In the long run, this might work out ok, but it is not for me. Pass, is of course, also eliminated. When you discard the obvious, whatever esle that is left, must be right. 4♦ - unimaginative, dull, but so be it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 4d This means p is often forced to bid 3nt with 5 spades and a club stopper. Not easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 i'm really not capable of figuring out how many times out of 100 a 3nt bid works.. it's appealing, but my hand looks better suited for suit play... guess i'll go 4♦ also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted June 13, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 mike: presumably with five spades and a club stopper partner could try a double, and then pull 3♦/3♥ to 3NT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 4D for me, I just bid my hand. Usually works well. Pard would be careful of endplaying me with a 3S bid anyways if his hand was more NT oriented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 A wise sage once said to me, "don't make unusual bids that partner can criticize." Actually it was my older brother (an extremely good player) who also threatened to kick me butt at the time. But, the idea of trying to not make a bid that is so inconsistent with your hand is a good guiding principle.lololol, That was 30+ years ago. He's older but I'm bigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Dealer: South Vul: N/S Scoring: MP ♠ 7 ♥ KJT54 ♦ KQJ94 ♣ J4 1♥ (3♣) 3♠ (P) ?Playing Acol, and 3♠ is forcing.Opponents intermediate ; LHO slightly aggressive, RHO more conservative. I think I may have made a bad decision. What do people think of the 3NT and 4♦ bids?4♦ because 1 U don't have even a partial stopper in ♣ so prefer not to bid 3NT 2 U don't have a rebiddable ♥ suit3 U don't have ♠ support4 U are NOT allowed to pass a forcing bid ;) :blink: :P B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 4D for me, I just bid my hand. Usually works well. Pard would be careful of endplaying me with a 3S bid anyways if his hand was more NT oriented. 4D and I agree with Justin ! If his hand is NT oriented, partner has to bid NT knowing there is no more room ! Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 4D. Hard, feels wrong, but I will follow ben, who cites Sherlock Holmes,if you eliminate the impossible, whats left has to be the thing, evenif it is terrible. With kind regardsMarlowe PS: I would have liked to write "change system", but I rembered in time,my partnership changed the system several weeks ago, making 3S forcing ;) ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 4♦, no other option. Bidding 3NT is gambling, and that's a completely different ballgame. I have hearts and diamonds, so when my partner forces me to bid again, I will show him my second suit. If 3NT is the spot, responder should have thought a litle longer before he bid 3♠. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 4D. People might well be hesitant to open 3C with a solid suit, but to overcall 3C people wouldn't have any problems with it at all. Hence the chances of them cashing the top 6/7 club tricks is a genuine danger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 The problem would have been tougher with ♠72 ♥AQT54 ♦KQJ9 ♣J4 Now I think it's better to bid 4♠ than 4♦. Not ideal with two small admittedly, but the best there is in my opinion. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted June 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 As I imagine most of you have guessed, I chanced a 3nt bid, which didn't work out very well. On the actual hand, partner had:♠KQJ943♥A63♦AT7♣7with which I maintained that he should have taken some action over 3nt (not that it excuses the 3nt bid). Is that reasonable? For the record, LHO had ♣AKTxxx and RHO had ♣Qxxx (and the ♠A). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Hi, your partner should probably bid 4S over 3NT,because his spades are not running.To make 3NT you will need the spades, i.e. if you have only one stopper in club and not the Ace of spades, 3NT will probably go down, so yes he should have bid 4S, but this is no excuse for the 3NT. Lead partner to a deep hole and be not surprised,if he partner falls for it, and jumbs head over heels into the hole. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSilver Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 I think you both took a position. I wouldn't bid 3NT with your hand, nor would I pass it with your partner's. There's no reason for him to think 3NT, even if it makes, will score more matchpoints than a ♥ contract. A ♥ slam is not out of the question if you have one of the black aces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 As I imagine most of you have guessed, I chanced a 3nt bid, which didn't work out very well. On the actual hand, partner had:♠KQJ943♥A63♦AT7♣7with which I maintained that he should have taken some action over 3nt (not that it excuses the 3nt bid). Is that reasonable? For the record, LHO had ♣AKTxxx and RHO had ♣Qxxx (and the ♠A). yes passing 3N is really absurd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 I maintained that he should have taken some action over 3nt yes passing 3N is really absurd Alert! Transfer (of fault). As far as pard knows, you have made the best bid you can so he respects your judgement..........poor deluded child.....lol. Better bids make better post-mortems at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 3N is not the final bid of the auction. It is (supposedly) a suggestion to play 3n, basically shows a stopper and no 3 card spade support. All you have shown on this hand so far is some minimal game force with 5+ spades. you have KQJ9xx of spades, a suit playable opposite a stiff. You have Axx in support of partners major which you havent shown so a sure 8 card fit here. You have a stiff club and a very prime, suit oriented hand with definite slam interest. This is not a case of "respecting partners judgement." How can he make a judgement when you havent come close to describing your hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Hey, no problem here, 3S shows an opening bid (since it is forcing that means at least 3NT) and pard can expect no C help so a 3NT bid would be void or stiff S with a DOUBLE stop in C. The sensible and accurate bid of 4D to show his actual hand always gets you to the H game, so ....why set a trap for pard when he is looking for help from you..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 The only alternative to 4♦ is 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheech Posted June 22, 2005 Report Share Posted June 22, 2005 I agree, in retrospect I should probably have taken 3n out, but looking at it at the time, it never occured to me that partner wouldn't have a stop and I just thought "maybe the hearts wil run, maybe the spades will run, and if his stop's something like KQx or such, my singleton may well be useless" ie maybe we're making as many tricks here as anywhere else. Also, although it is true that I knew we had a major fit, I wasn't sure which 1 we had, and was afraid 4 hearts or 4 spades could easily put us into a 7-card fit (it has since been pointed out that 4 clubs would have avoided this problem nicely, but it didn't occur to me at the time) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 22, 2005 Report Share Posted June 22, 2005 4D for me as well. 3NT might work out, but since I have no running suit, I really doubt it will make more often than not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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