4 level interference, how do you ... (2)

[helene_t]

I just bid a Neanderthal 6♠. They might not lead a club.

[foobar]

What would you open with, say, x Ax xxx KJ10xxxx white v red 1st seat?

 

Not opening 3C is, imo, tantamount to giving up.

 

At that vul, surely not opening it 4♣ is giving up :)?

[Joe_Old]

If you meant you had TWO methods, you should have said so....and you wouldn’t need to write TWO if you had done so, lol. Shouting would be unnecessary.

 

As for the merits, I think they are not well designed.

 

You only need your stated methods when you have a side void. I’ve played a lot of bridge...catering to asking for keycards after partner preempts, and you have a side void and the opps don’t bid....well, you’ll be waiting a long time for it to happen twice (I guess it happened once, so someone had this bright idea). Meanwhile, you have to jump to 4N otherwise, which may prove inconvenient, depending on his responses. Which is why using 4C ( or 4D over 3C) was invented.

 

lol - as if I'm smart enough to "make up" these conventions. Apollo asked if a certain BW convention exists. It does. You don't like it? Don't use it. The reason I mentioned it is that Apollo's query, in context, seemed to include any special BW conventions for 4 level pre empts, and this is the only one I've ever heard of suggested for use at that level.

 

If it was the best convention ever invented, all the top players would use it. I don't know of any pro who uses it, mostly because (as you point out) 4C is cheaper that 4NT, and there are standard ways to locate features after a weak 2. As for "needing a side void", no, 3 side Aces and sufficient side suit tricks also apply.

 

The player to showed this convention to me liked it because it can be used over a weak 2, stay below game, and keep 3NT in play. It can also be used over a 3 or 4 level pre empt with no ambiguity. I play it with him to see how it works, and so far it hasn't come up after roughly 300 hands (which says a lot about how necessary special BW for pre empts is).

 

So go ahead Mike, now you can be rude again. Get your kicks.

[mikeh]

lol - as if I'm smart enough to "make up" these conventions. Apollo asked if a certain BW convention exists. It does. You don't like it? Don't use it. The reason I mentioned it is that Apollo's query, in context, seemed to include any special BW conventions for 4 level pre empts, and this is the only one I've ever heard of suggested for use at that level.

 

If it was the best convention ever invented, all the top players would use it. I don't know of any pro who uses it, mostly because (as you point out) 4C is cheaper that 4NT, and there are standard ways to locate features after a weak 2. As for "needing a side void", no, 3 side Aces and sufficient side suit tricks also apply.

 

The player to showed this convention to me liked it because it can be used over a weak 2, stay below game, and keep 3NT in play. It can also be used over a 3 or 4 level pre empt with no ambiguity. I play it with him to see how it works, and so far it hasn't come up after roughly 300 hands (which says a lot about how necessary special BW for pre empts is).

 

So go ahead Mike, now you can be rude again. Get your kicks.

 

Your idea of fun is taking turns being rude? I’ll leave you the the last shot, since you seem to enjoy it. Have fun.