the hog Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 You are Nth. vul vs not Sth opens JxxxAxQTxxK98 1D (1H) 1S (2H)4C (P) ? You are playing a canape system - the Caroline Club, if you want to know. opener has shown 5/6 very good C, 4D and a max hand - 14-15. Your bid is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Hi, 5D, unless you have a way to agree diamonds as trumps below 5D. I would like to make some positive noise, but I am not willing to drive to slam. I probably have the"golden" cards, partner needs, but ... I assume- 4C is passable- 4D is preference- 4H / 4S are cue bids, agreeing clubs ???- 4 NT, RKCB for clubs ?`- 5C / 5D, to play With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 I'm not familiar with the system, but it seems very strange to me that partner can bid this way with only 4-5 in the minors, 5-6 seems far more likely. This is a great hand, and chances for slam are excellent. I'll start with 4H (not necessarilly setting clubs as trump as we have no way to show diamond support). Over 4S I'll bid 6D. Over 5C I'll sign off in 5D. If partner takes control immediately, great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PriorKnowledge Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 4H. If partner q-bids 4S, I am bidding 6D. I have a magic hand. If partner has x xxx AKxx AQJxx, which is very likely on the bidding, we have 12 tricks in diam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Partner seems to be short in ♠s. So slam isn't pretty far away probably. I just wonder if 4♦ would set trumps or if it's a signoff bid. Otherwise I'll use some kind of cuebid (4♥). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 If partner has 6♣, singleton ♠, and no honnor in the majors 6♦ seems the right spot. But that is probably just a dream, 4♥ can drive us too high quickly, so I would just bid a game, I am not sure of wich minor but I'll try 5♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 GOOD problem The big question is, of course, whether partner has a "miracle" hand... ♠ A♥ x♦ AJxx♣ AQxxxxx or some such... With this said and done, I am having a lot of trouble constructing hands for partner that have play for slam but don't require a Diamond hook. The bulk of the opponent's HCP are sitting over partner so I'm worried that any hook is going to be off. From my perspective, slam hinges on whether partner is 6-4 or 7-4 in the minors and I don't see a good way to explore this. Barry Crane once said (approximately) "Don't play me to have the perfect hand. I won't". I'm going to heed his advice and bid a "quiet" 5♦. If I were to try for slam, 4♥ seems clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 I really have great cards ! I'll start with 4♥ hoping to hear 4♠ and play a minor slam. Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 4♥ I have a monster hand and I want to know if pd can cuebid 4♠. Seems easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 4H. Love my hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 13, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 4H is nice guys, now over 4S? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 After 4♥ - 4♠ I bid 4NT 6 aces keycard. I think it will be quite clear that the 6 minor suit keycards are important. If I get a 4KC response I can ask with 5♥ about a minor suit queen and go to 7♦ when pd can show the club queen. If we don't have the 6 keycards then I can signoff in 6♦. Luis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 After 4♥ - 4♠ I bid 4NT 6 aces keycard. I think it will be quite clear that the 6 minor suit keycards are important. If I get a 4KC response I can ask with 5♥ about a minor suit queen and go to 7♦ when pd can show the club queen. If we don't have the 6 keycards then I can signoff in 6♦. Luis I have nothing more to add... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 sorry luis but pard cannot have A AK AQ (17 points). I am curious what would 4N mean in the system actually being used? That will affect my decision. If no agreement I would just bid 6D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 An easy "magic hand" for partner: xxxAKxxAQxxxx I agree with the 4♥ call. It seems like with a hand like the above though, partner pretty much knows we have slam after the 4♥ bid. He has many keycards in the minors and spades locked up. My concern is getting to slam opposite a hand like: xKxKJxxAQJxxx I'm not sure how Luis' 6-ace keycard works, but if the "two" response is past 5♦ (as it is in pretty much every form of 4NT keycard I'm aware of) then we have a problem. I think I'd just bid 5♦ over 4♠ and let partner decide the next step. I've announced slam interest opposite his shape and range and shown my heart control; I will trust partner's judgement. BTW, what would a 3♣ free bid by partner show? It seems like partner's 4♣ really should be 4-6 at least, I'm having trouble imagining a 4-5 hand with 14-15 hcp that wants to leap to the four level opposite a simple 1/1 response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 After 4♥-4♠ its time to put double brakes and bid 5♣ :), but I woul bid them first round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 I apply my rule of thumb: is there a minimum pard might have for this bidding that makes slam laydown? x, xx, AKJx, AQxxxx. Seems so. I will bid 4H (my one try at slam). Regardless of what pard bids next (exluding blackwood), my next bid is 5D - I've had my say and now it is up to him or her to go on. WinstonM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 13, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 I think if partner bids 4S you really must bid 6D Winstonm.You must evaluate ow good your minor cards really are.Partner, (me), heldxQxAK9xAQTxxxOn the 3-2 D break 6D was laydown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 whew, glad ron said that.. i'd bid 4h then 6d over 4s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 I think if partner bids 4S you really must bid 6D Winstonm Perhaps different styles, but I must humbly disagree. It is pard who knows he holds: x,QxAKxxAQxxxx instead of x,Kxx,AKJxA10xxxx After making a try, showing the heart Ace, what else could north have to then sign off except the minor suit cards? With the second hand, if north held xxxx, Ax, Qxxx, KQx he would not sign off - the sign off then must be a missing minor suit card to my way of thinking. Close decision, but then isn't that what separates the good from bad result? WinstonM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 You are playing a canape system - the Caroline Club, if you want to know. opener has shown 5/6 very good C, 4D and a max hand - 14-15. Your bid is? Was playing in main bridge club late a few nights ago. A new P tapped in as my partner with the SN of djb. He had a profile with canape, strong club. 10-12 NT etc. To make a long story short, it was Doug Bone, one of the authors of the Caroline Club system, and he was somewhat surprised that I recognized the profile (actually wasn't sure if it was Caroline club or a slightly different system.) Now, if I hadn't shown my true colors (aka: inept declarer play) and blew a cold strip and endplay.................................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
civill Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 After 4♠,5♥ is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 I think if partner bids 4S you really must bid 6D Winstonm Perhaps different styles, but I must humbly disagree. It is pard who knows he holds: x,QxAKxxAQxxxx instead of x,Kxx,AKJxA10xxxx After making a try, showing the heart Ace, what else could north have to then sign off except the minor suit cards? With the second hand, if north held xxxx, Ax, Qxxx, KQx he would not sign off - the sign off then must be a missing minor suit card to my way of thinking. Close decision, but then isn't that what separates the good from bad result? WinstonM I don't think your example hand, (I assume Kx of H), would qualify for the 3C bid Winston. The club suit is supposed to be of really good quality for the bid. I'm not sure if AT to 6 would qualify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 The club suit is supposed to be of really good quality for the bid. Obviously this is a problem with me trying to bid with a sytem of which I am unfamiliar. ;) WinstonM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 So what happened at the table Ron? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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